Forcing vaccination

[Peaceiseveryrhing]

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

And what happens when the vaccinations don’t work on new variants? Back into lockdown we all go, despite being vaccinated.

Bet you wouldn't apply that argument to something like saysexuality, race, gender?

Yes as @Besiegedbykillersquirrels has pointed out, your vaccination status int a protected title. Let's all be sensible here, its an insult to compare racism and homophobia with someone who doesn't want to get a vaccine just because.

Obviously, when people who cannot get the vaccine for medical purposes that's different.

I think all vaccines should be compulsory.

I don't care about people who don't care about the weakest and most vulnerable in society.

Being vaccinated is part of being part of a group society. Don't share our herd if you won't share the immunity.

@SarahBellam

But why wouldn’t you want to be vaccinated? Do you want this to drag on for another few years?

Why wouldn't I? 🙈

Nobody knows what the long term effects of these vaccines are. And that's fact! No other vaccine in the history of mankind has been rushed out the door without long term testing.

Of course, if you've invented a time machine and can zip 10,15 years into the future to check, please do let me know.

Surely they need to prove how and whether it works before they do this? I'm happy to have vaccine - just not now, but I won't be eligible for a long time anyway. If they introduce this they will also need to prove that everybody has been offered it first as it would be discriminating against certain people. We are a long way off everybody being offered it.

Given that we have a high predicted uptake rate (70%) compared to other countries, I still think it would be bad for business to force this. They would be losing a lot of custom and businesses are too greedy. They will do it at first to look like they are operating safely, but will soon ditch it if it is holding them back.

Would be really interesting if one of those fully vaccinated Saga cruises gets another COVID case on board.

You might want to do some reading if you think this is anything like a communist approach.

@TheLovleyChebbyMcGee

No-one can force you to have a vaccine. But on the other hand, no-one is forcing you to get on a plane, go to a concert etc.

Airlines are private companies so they can pick and choose their own rules for conditions of travel, you only need to obey them if you want to travel with them.

I think that's a very simplistic view.

That's like saying you can only fly on our airline if you are Christian. It's discrimination

@SpamIAm

I'd be very disappointed in this. From a personal perspective, but also why covid? People have argued for years that other vaccinations should be compulsory to access school etc and those ideas are shot down.

I'm breastfeeding and so won't be having the vaccine until I've stopped - I'm not satisfied that "the vaccine can be given to breastfeeding mothers after consideration of their clinical need for the vaccine" is sufficient to protect my child. It would be extremely disappointing if I was banned from certain shops etc until I either was forced into taking a perceived risk that I'm not happy with or weaning before I'm ready.

I actually can't tell if you're being serious or not? I honestly can't believe that someone truly thinks their 'disappointment' in not being able to go where they want, potentially spreading Covid, trumps the right of businesses to keep their staff members and customers safe. 'Woman believes she can do as she pleases because she's breastfeeding'. Good grief.

Brilliant. My Nan can pop off to a gig or out for a meal whilst I hole up at home and wait my turn for another year???!

If they do introduce this I hope they also include every other immunisation too. MMR etc. The uk lost its measles free status not that long ago...:

Well Tony Blair can do one anyway.

International travel- sure. It's already a thing for other vaccines.
Shopping centres and concerts- ridiculous. Our local big shopping centre must have 30 entrances, not feasible.

I dont think it will be necessary, it'll just be like seasonal flu, the vulnerable will have yearly boosters and the rest of us will take our chances.

Theres really no point even considering it until the people who want it have had it and we see what effect its had.

Private companies (airlines, workplaces, venues) can have their own terms and conditions ! So well within their rights to say you have to have a vaccine in order to fly or attend their events.

I'm trying to imagine one communist state where the ultimate consequence of not doing as the state tells you is finding it difficult to getting a job in healthcare, missing out on holidays and fun stuff to do?

No it isn't OP. Whatever faith someone has isn't contagious or deadly so it doesn't matter one jot.

@WalrusWife

Well I’m pregnant and then I’ll be breastfeeding so not having the vaccine for now.

Very very sensible.

We don’t even know if the vaccines stop transmission yet.

I need to go to Bognor Regis. Always hear about it. Sounds like an experience 😁

@AStudyinPink

The point about a free choice when it comes to healthcare is that the choice shouldn’t come with coercive, discriminatory consequences.

Totally agree!!

It makes me sad and angry that so many people on this platform will simply bend over and take whatever is coming. It is coercion plain and simple. No jab no fly, no jab no cinema: no jab no life. That is disturbing. So many ppl DO NOT NEED a vaccine against a SARs virus - if elderly and vulnerable want to have it to reduce symptoms then that's fine, if young and healthy want to have it for similar reasons, that's fine, but transmission is still possible, so to quote Whitty in March, 'the majority of us won't catch Covid, the majority who do will suffer mild symptoms'.
Vaccinate the vulnerable that's it. If we carry on like this, we'll have no immune system left to speak of, T-cell immunity is your best friend.

It is legally impossible to 'force' a medical procedure, which is what a vaccine is. It is against human rights to coerce and threaten those who simply do not need a vaccine, whether it's flu, or SARs-Cov-2 which are both serious illnesses to vulnerable and elderly. I can't believe so many ppl are willing to shove a vaccine into their precious children, when the studies all conclusively say, young and healthy are not at risk.
I've quoted this so many times now: March to Nov 2020 377 people under the age of 65yrs with no underlying health conditions sadly died with Covid.

@tilder

Quite SchrodingersImmigrant

I've read so much entitled, ignorant bullshit over the past few months. I've had enough. I want my life back. I want to see my parents. I want my kids at school. I want dh to work normal hours and stop looking so haunted.

So sick of the entitled bleating of those who, for whatever spurious reason, say they will choose to not have the vaccine.

I understand some have genuine concerns. For the vast majority, they are not genuine reasons. Gives me the rage.

Take a chill pill

@AStudyinPink

I really can't bring myself to care about people that refuse something that will get us back to some semblance of normality.

Grim.

Indeed very grim and much along the lines of "Nobody else matters". A very sad individual 😢

I know you are just trying to bring up some fights up on boring lockdown Sunday evening, but mate.
Can everyone bugger off with "BuT wHaT iF iT WaS a ReLiGion durrdurr"🙄

Listen.
Not. The. Same. Thing. At. All.

@Peaceiseveryrhing

Just read this on the Beeb

[[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553]]

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

Nothing to do with communism. I wish people would actually look up the definition of communism before spouting that term about any law or regulation or policy they don’t agree with.

@cardibach

There are several countries where vaccinations are compulsory fir children attending school. There are several countries who require certain vaccinations from tourists already. Are they all communist blackmailers too? It isn’t coercion. It isn’t blackmail. It isn’t communism. It’s companies choosing to set health parameters for people they serve, for the protection of their staff and other customers. Grow up.

I think you've grossly overlooked the fact that no other vaccine has undergone such little time based testing. So who knows what outcome it could have in 10 years time

Nobody knows

@tilder absolutely with you on that

Does anyone know the legality of a decision not to employ the unvaccinated when applied to the existing workforce? Can an employer insist on a change to the employees contract in this way?