Forcing vaccination

[Peaceiseveryrhing]

Just read this on the Beeb

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553

Personally, I think it's outrageous that employees may insist on vaccination and airlines preventing travel.

A communistic approach!

@XenoBitch

Needing the vaccine as a requirement to enter other countries... fair enough. This is nothing new. But to do everyday things in your own country? Just no. I can't believe the people who are happy to see unvaccinated people be denied entry to shops, cinemas etc. It is sinister as hell. If this is the going to be the future then I am done.

Well said!

I do however fear the worst. Look at the reactions in this thread!

I agree with airlines denying travel, but they're not forcing you

You are an absolute treat OP. Filtering for your comments and responses shows you are offensive to anyone who disagrees with you and actually very ill-informed. But the problem with people like you is that there is no way to actually reason and explain why you may be wrong because you don't care and you are convinced you are right!

Nobody's forcing you to have a vaccine.
I do despair at some people though. I'm sure you see the news OP, you see all the people dying from covid, or getting long covid, or organ damage or upthread a poster mentioned, what was it 370 or something, people under 60 in perfect health dying from covid? You see all that right? So you've got the vaccines on one side of the scales and covid on the other side, you look at that, and think, hmm, which one shall I go for? And you choose covid!!!!

@Dogsandbabies

You are an absolute treat OP. Filtering for your comments and responses shows you are offensive to anyone who disagrees with you and actually very ill-informed. But the problem with people like you is that there is no way to actually reason and explain why you may be wrong because you don't care and you are convinced you are right!

If you were to read my responses, I treat dismissive responses with equality

I'm 100% supportive of restrictions if you choose not to be vaccinated. You are welcome to your choice, but why should your wants place the wider community at risk?

In Australia schools have a "no jab no play" policy, where kids cannot go to school without proving they are vaccinated. *excluding medical reasons. I'm hoping that the government here rolls out similar policies! That is, if the EU ever lets us get the vaccine.

Nope it's called taking responsibility for your actions.
You don't have to fly and you don't need to work for companies who will only employ people who have been.
Obviously if you have a medical condition then you would be covered by the Equality Act 2010.

[quote DayBath]@pusskins06 Ever heard of someone being sectioned? Allow me to introduce you to Google.....

www.mind.org.uk/information-support/legal-rights/consent-to-treatment/could-i-be-treated-without-my-consent/[/quote]
Yes I certainly have
You are able to enforce mental health treatments under the MHA A vaccine does not constitute treatment nor does it fall under mental health I suggest you read the link you posted

However, YOU CAN'T buy or bend time - that’s what they actually did though. @Peaceiseveryrhing The international will meant that the funding was there, buying many more scientists and labs and meaning time wasn’t wasted applying for funding. It allowed several options to be explored at once. Money thrown at this did buy time.

Incidentally as others have said there is no ways you’ll end a vaccine for shops etc as it would be impossible to check. You only put that in to be dramatic though. For travel and anything you plan in advance and have to be with lots of others, yes, it’s fine. Fine for certain jobs as well. Lots of people are required to have been vaccinated against a variety of things for their work as it is.

@Kendodd

Nobody's forcing you to have a vaccine. I do despair at some people though. I'm sure you see the news OP, you see all the people dying from covid, or getting long covid, or organ damage or upthread a poster mentioned, what was it 370 or something, people under 60 in perfect health dying from covid? You see all that right? So you've got the vaccines on one side of the scales and covid on the other side, you look at that, and think, hmm, which one shall I go for? And you choose covid!!!!

Hmmmm. You're putting 2 and 2 together and getting 4.5. I'm not anti-vaccine, it's just that you obviously desire labelling me as an 'anti-vaccer'

If you read my post properly you would see that I disapprove of people being discriminated against if they choose not to vaccinate.

You might want to sit down whilst I break this news to you @Peaceiseveryrhing

You can't drive without a licence
You can't fly non-domestic without a passport
You can't open a bank account without ID
You can't practice medicine without a licence

How discriminatory

It's selfish and called 'having your cake and eat it'

You want to benefit from everyone else having the vaccination but couldn't possibly do it yourself as somehow you see yourself as more important than others.

Anyone who is medically exempt including pregnant/breastfeeding are obviously different.

Bet you wouldn't apply that argument to something like saysexuality, race, gender?

Congratulations - this is by far the most ridiculous comment I’ve seen on this subject yet.

Given that nobody can choose their sexuality or race, and that none of those things pose a direct threat to other people’s lives, i would say that’s quite a false equivalency, wouldn’t you?

SchrodingersImmigrant

Actually you're right. It doesn't require everyone to have the vaccine - it just requires ENOUGH of us to have it to protect those who can't

That's why you get those pockets of measles/mumps outbreaks due to nut jobs not vaccinating their children

So those who CAN have it - SHOULD

@DumplingsAndStew

You might want to sit down whilst I break this news to you *@Peaceiseveryrhing*

You can't drive without a licence
You can't fly non-domestic without a passport
You can't open a bank account without ID
You can't practice medicine without a licence

How discriminatory

Stick to making stew my dear. Your analogies are rubbish

@WhenISnappedAndFarted It's been tested as it would normally be tested

That may or may not be true. But it takes about 2 years for the effects of a vaccine to be more fully known.
And it is studied in research for 8-10 years apparently.

[quote lightand]**@WhenISnappedAndFarted* It's been tested as it would normally be tested*

That may or may not be true. But it takes about 2 years for the effects of a vaccine to be more fully known.
And it is studied in research for 8-10 years apparently.[/quote]
Totally agree

@LaurieFairyCake

SchrodingersImmigrant

Actually you're right. It doesn't require everyone to have the vaccine - it just requires ENOUGH of us to have it to protect those who can't

That's why you get those pockets of measles/mumps outbreaks due to nut jobs not vaccinating their children

Exactly. It would have to be strict on who is exempt, which won't go down well in here though...

The international will meant that the funding was there, buying many more scientists and labs and meaning time wasn’t wasted applying for funding. It allowed several options to be explored at once. Money thrown at this did buy time. The other thing that saved a lot of time was the high levels of infection in the community. Normally you would have to wait a long time for enough people to catch something to show whether a vaccine works. This time it was spreading so fast that the case numbers were reached within weeks

But it takes about 2 years for the effects of a vaccine to be more fully known Have you got a legitimate source for this, @lightand or is it just how long you feel it might be?

@Gobbycop

That if anything makes a stronger case not weaker - it makes it non discriminatory as the rule applies to everyone. Everyone is a risk of harming others in this case until they have had the vaccine so airlines should be able to make the conditions that you need to have it in order to travel with them. Same as you need to have a driving license to drive a car.

I was just pointing out that is perfectly legal to discriminate if it poses a risk to others if you don’t - so the argument that it is discriminatory against anti Vaxxers doesn’t work.

You can't practice medicine without a licence
What! But I watched all the ER😭

Read it somewhere @cardibach. Will try and find it.
I notice you do not seem to be doubting the 8-10 year research part of what I said.

A communistic approach!

I think you’ve got your communism and your free market capitalism confused there, OP.