WHO urges Britain to pause covid jabs after treating the vulnerable

[Jay2020]

Link

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I am beyond broken if this means we can't get to any kind of normality.

@Aspiringmatriarch

And if they were, then what? Perhaps we should put the entire country on a compulsory emergency crash diet, or just shrug our shoulders and say the obese can die?

No, but being obese is a risk factor. Describing someone as ‘healthy’ when they are clearly obese and therefore at higher risk of complications/death is misleading.

I am astounded at the selfishness being displayed here. This is a global pandemic and the response needs to be global. The vulnerable worldwide need to be vaccinated, not just the lucky few who live in the UK.
I have just donated to the UNICEF covid relief programme because of the self-centred posters on this thread.

Well that ain't going to happen :)

They can fuck off! I want my vaccination! I’ve sacrificed enough already for complete strangers, I’m not sacrificing any more.

This is the kind of reporting that annoys the crap out of me.

I quote: "WHO said countries should be aiming for 2bn doses to be “fairly distributed” around the world by the end of 2021."

Yes - "by the end of 2021".

There is already discussion that the UK will divert excess vaccine stocks it has on pre-order once the UK adult population is vaccinated. The UK has a HUGE excess ordered, far in excess of what it needs.

This is just The Guardian creating a story from nothing to get readership. Its journalism that plays on peoples fears.

There is no story here.

The UK is in prime position to vaccinate the UK population AND be the biggest donor to the world supply of vaccines in 2021.

Shame on the Guardian. Shoddy reporting.

This is a global pandemic and the response needs to be global.

It is, that's why COVAX has been set up.

@Glenchase

They can fuck off! I want my vaccination! I’ve sacrificed enough already for complete strangers, I’m not sacrificing any more.

Are you in a vulnerable group? If so then you will be offered it relatively soon. If not, then you’re very unlikely to get seriously ill and vulnerable people in other countries could benefit more.

Why do you think it means we won't go back to normal? The aim was always to vaccinate the vulnerable to allow restrictions to be lifted. It's not such a deadly disease to those who aren't vulnerable

The 3 people I know who have died from this disease weren’t vulnerable. They were fit healthy slim and under 50

I know a 90 year old who is classed as vulnerable who has other health issues apart from their age that puts them in the at risk group who tested positive for Covid and had a tickly cough for a day and then got over it.

I don’t think you can tell who is vulnerable and who isn’t.

Of course we should help other countries out but not till we have vaccinated all those who want the vaccine here first.
It is akin to putting on your own oxygen mask first before those who can’t help themselves.
How can we help others if the disease is running rampant at home

Bumbleymummy but given the rates of obesity in this country (and I include myself in that unfortunately), we might as well just vaccinate the adult population as a whole. Obesity on its own doesn't put you in one the highest risk categories, but it does increase the risk of dying and is more likely to cause complications which put further stress on the health service. We all need to be very clear that this is 'an underlying condition' but also realistic about the huge number of people in that group.

A lot of people are obese

what about younger BAME people are they in a priority group?

I am not sure it will happen, because if it did, then that would mean a UK Prime Minister is arguably not acting in the best interests of the UK population.

By pausing covid jabs, that is.

My otherwise healthy middle-aged friend died two days ago. My view is that if the UK has the vaccine, then we should use it. This country has one of the worst death rates in the world, and seemingly one of the most contagious variants. And the government seems incapable of closing our borders

You don't stop baling out a boat with a hole in it so you can take on passengers from another boat with a hole in it, do you?

I think it's fair enough. I'm 29, I don't need a vaccine before someone who is elderly and/or ECV, wherever in the world they live. I'm amazed at the responses on this thread tbh because I've always considered myself to be quite a selfish person and I hate the thought of getting the vaccine while people who are ECV but live in a different country aren't being vaccinated, just seems awful to me.

@Aspiringmatriarch

Bumbleymummy but given the rates of obesity in this country (and I include myself in that unfortunately), we might as well just vaccinate the adult population as a whole. Obesity on its own doesn't put you in one the highest risk categories, but it does increase the risk of dying and is more likely to cause complications which put further stress on the health service. We all need to be very clear that this is 'an underlying condition' but also realistic about the huge number of people in that group.

Or a lot of the obese people could try to help themselves by trying to lose weight instead of solely relying on a vaccine.

It looks like we have already contributed a fair bit to the global effort and of course any excess should be directed elsewhere but stopping our own vaccination programme...no way.

As PP have said...highest rate of deaths per capita says it all, and there are so younger, healthier people dying and those on the borderline.

I'm mid forties, overweight due a health condition that means whilst I'm doing my best Covid will probably be a distant memory before I reach what is considered a healthy weight. I'm also asthmatic (not considered severe despite being on a preventer inhaler and pills) and have two previous bouts of whooping cough and a collapsed lung behind me, yet am not yet sure if I'll be considered a priority for vaccination.

I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands at least in similar circumstances.

Fairly distributed doesn't necessarily mean equally though does it?

As a pp said it's not like us hogging the antimalarials. Our death rate is the highest in the world and we are a very densely populated country. Our need is therefore more immediate.
Plus, has there been any recent research about the virus thriving in cooler climates because there was a lot of talk about that late spring last year...?

Or a lot of the obese people could try to help themselves by trying to lose weight instead of solely relying on a vaccine.

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dick

The Uk have donated 548 million pounds to Covax as well as helping raise 1 billion dollars towards the fund to provide vaccinations to poorer countries. If you look at the list of countries who have pledged donations, the uk’s contributions dwarfs everybody else’s, including the 500 million euros donated by the EU.
At the same time as that, they have been at the forefront of researching and ordering vaccines for our own citizens so that we are now world leading in our vaccination program and production facilities.
These are achievements to be celebrated and to act as inspiration to other wealthier nations. We should not be told to pause our own program and made to look like selfish bad guys when this couldn’t be further from the truth. I am sick of the UK being painted as villains and it’s time our government became very “unbritish” and started letting the world know the real situation.

The WHO can go and stuff themselves.

Actually is there any guarantee our rights and freedoms will be restored when vulnerable vaccinated or indeed wider population as not seen much assurance on this from the government

Are you in a vulnerable group? If so then you will be offered it relatively soon. If not, then you’re very unlikely to get seriously ill and vulnerable people in other countries could benefit more.
No. And I couldn’t give a shit about vulnerable people in other countries. I have many things that vulnerable people in other countries could benefit from more than I do, but I’m not handing them over am I? And neither is anyone else! My healthy friend aged 42 died of Covid leaving two kids and I don’t want that to happen to me. I’m scared and I want my vaccination. My toddler hasn’t played with another child for over a year. I want our own lives back - then and only then will I be willing to help others.

@marbellamarc

Or a lot of the obese people could try to help themselves by trying to lose weight instead of solely relying on a vaccine.

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dick

Why am I being a dick?

You can't work out why that was a dick move?