WHO urges Britain to pause covid jabs after treating the vulnerable

[Jay2020]

Link

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I am beyond broken if this means we can't get to any kind of normality.

If I was at risk of a deadly disease, I would want to do everything in my power to try and save myself from it. In this case, it would be trying to lose weight.

I don't think it's rocket science to work out not everyone thinks the same. overeating like many addictions is tied up with a host of emotional & other issues. Otherwise no one would be obese

Unless of course we just close our borders forever
Vaccinating everyone and closing the borders is the only solution in the short term. It’ll take years to vaccinate 8bn people worldwide and I’m not waiting that long to get my life back.

@Perfect28

For me, the fact we are doing so well at vaccinating just shows how selfish we are. We need to think of ourselves as a global community so I absolutely think that WHO are right, after the vulnerable are vaccinated the priority should be to vaccinate the vulnerable elsewhere.

Wow, after all the criticisms about this country's handling of the pandemic just when we seem to be doing something right the hand-wringers are really out in force. If my house were on fire and the other three in the row were on fire too, I am expected to let mine burn to go and assist the others? Maybe once my house is safe but not before .If the is interpreted as being selfish, I would interpret it as putting my family first. If this country were the one not in such a good position do you honestly think that any other country would stop to help?

It was the WHO that advocated not wearing masks and have changed their minds about lockdowns .

I think we should crack on and the with the vaccines we will have in the uk yes then we can help the countries with the highest death rates . I think we are already investing into that anyway .

If we had a low death rate I might agree but we don’t .

So all the stories about young healthy people filling up ICu are lies??? I think not! WHO can fuck the fuck off. WHO has shit advice based on a one dimensional view all the time.

My view is. Lock the boarders, no one in or out except hauliers we crack on and offer the vaccine to everyone who wants one. It’s seriously not our fault people have shit governments.

Plus I'm sure some people are doing that. I have seen people say it & well done them. But not everyone can achieve that.
My cousin had an earring disorder & nearly died of starvation. Telling her to eat more surprisingly wasn't enough.

@Splodgetastic
Wow, you sound like another wonderful human being too. So many on this thread!

eating!

I will be furious if they pause after the first 9 groups!

I'm 51, so I will get vaccinated, but my DH is 48 and a Police Officer, constantly dealing with arseholes who often spit at the Police. He would just miss out, if we pause after the over 50's. Also, our DD is a Teacher. I would happily let either of them take my dose (I know that won't be allowed). I will be so cross if my family don't get vaccinated.

@Poppystars

Is Israel being asked to pause as they have pfeizer from EU? Are the other countries with high vaccination rates stopping?

I can see the sense of no vaccine going to countries like Australia and NZ from EU as they have a much safer and more normal life, and schools open, 30,000 a day at the Australian Open etc. But not in countries that have over 1,000 a day dying from COVID!

I think a quarter of Australians are immigrants. They deserve for the country to be able to open up so they can see their families.

www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases

There is a map labelled Geographic distribution of COVID-19 from the
European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control partway down the page linked to above.

There is another one I have seen that is slightly different about Microsoft tracking Covid-19 geographically:

www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8116757/Microsoft-launches-interactive-map-tracks-coronavirus-pandemic-real-time.html

There are quite a lot of differences, but both do show the UK (and Europe and USA and Brazil and South Africa) being the most affected.

@loveyouradvice

Less than 400 people under the age of 60 without underlying health conditions have died since March 2020

I HATE THIS.... you do realise that underlying conditions can be as simple as low thyroid or mlld asthma? Not normally life threatening conditions and certainly not disposable

Quite. Mental health conditions like anxiety and depression are also included. It is such a red herring. I’m 42, I have a young child. I have been treated with anxiety in the past so would be considered “with an underlying condition.” I want the vaccine. Our Gvt have messed up so much but they seem to have acted early and fast on vaccine development and purchasing. This is their chance to make amends for some of their bad decisions. Yes of course we should contribute to a global effort but the Gvt Has to put their citizens first - like other nations around the word have done during the pandemic.

“Adjust your own oxygen mask first.”

God you lot have screamed at people for being selfish for almost a year now but when it comes to it the truly selfish ones are clearly revealed.

Also why does every thread need someone chipping in about weight ffs 🙄

@marbellamarc

If I was at risk of a deadly disease, I would want to do everything in my power to try and save myself from it. In this case, it would be trying to lose weight.

I don't think it's rocket science to work out not everyone thinks the same. overeating like many addictions is tied up with a host of emotional & other issues. Otherwise no one would be obese

I don't assume everyone thinks the same. But the fact is, if you are obese, it is in your best interest to try and lose weight to try and lower your risk against the effects of CV. Whether, as an obese person, you (in general) decide to take the steps to do so, is your personal choice. But the fact is there are other options than solely waiting around for a vaccine to potentially save you.

Seems the WHO are criticising the EU rather than the UK

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55860540

For me, the fact we are doing so well at vaccinating just shows how selfish we are. We need to think of ourselves as a global community so I absolutely think that WHO are right, after the vulnerable are vaccinated the priority should be to vaccinate the vulnerable elsewhere

Just because we got our act together and ordered vaccines before other countries isn’t about being selfish. The EU could have done the same or are you proposing that instead of making the vaccine and ordering it early we should have waited till every other country had got round to ordering it before we did.
We are a fat and aged population with 68million of us packed for the most part onto a tiny island. If that doesn’t make us all vulnerable then I don’t know what does.

How many young fit and healthy people will I have to see die just so as we don’t look selfish.

@Jay2020

I feel like the best thing we can do for global public health is get the numbers in the uk under control to hopefully reduce the likelihood of another shitty varient emerging.

No. It's a global pandemic (by definition). Unless the entire world is vaccinated nothing will change. If we don't start to get the poorer nations in the world vaxed the virus will continue to spread and mutate, learning how to be vax-resistant as it does so.

The Uk and EU maybe very aware of their borders, Covid isn't.

I'm not sure what the fuss is about here; the WHO suggested pausing after the vulnerable are jabbed, so it's not that any particular age group would miss out - if they're vulnerable they'll get it just the same

Yes there are questions about transmission and new variants, but there'll always be variants, and wasn't focusing on the vulnerable supposed to be the plan all along?

I don't think it is selfish to state that a vaccine should go to countries with highest case rates and death rates. Why would diverting vaccines to areas with lower rates be more humanitarian?

[quote IrishMamaMia]@Perfect28 you continue on feeling selfish then. Lots of us have given up a year of our lives and more here.[/quote]
And if a vaccine resistant strain starts to circulate next year you'll be in lockdown for a lot longer...

I'm of the belief that you put your own oxygen mask on first before you're in a position to help others. 🤷‍♀️

@FTMF30 it's been made quite clear we wont be going back to normal until the entire adult population has been vaccinated. It literally says on the govt website that once you have been vaccinated you must continue to social distance/ shield as although the vaccine stops you getting seriously Ill you can still get covid and spread it. So in order not to give it to anyone else you must stay home. I dont agree with this at all but it's the case

I said this some days ago but the new stick to beat will be "you shouldn't have the vaccine unless you are going to die".

Long covid not an issue for anyone?

I was hospitalised with severe pneumonia at 30 when fit & healthy. I was on intravenous antibiotics for days & kept in for a week. My lungs have never recovered & I now get recurring chest infections.