WHO urges Britain to pause covid jabs after treating the vulnerable

[Jay2020]

Link

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I am beyond broken if this means we can't get to any kind of normality.

Hang on, if you read beyond the first few paragraphs, there is confirmation that BJ has already committed over £1bn for the vaccination programme of developing countries. We have already committed this without it impacting on our own programme. What people seem to be forgetting is that as yet, we will need to keep vaccinating a booster dose, as it is not expected that the current vaccine will offer on going cover.

I'm guessing that we will reach the end of our own programme and then go back to the start. By then perhaps a tablet will do the job, and the virus will have started to die down.

I thought it was the younger age group was getting a higher number if infections buy hospital admission age wasn't affected enough to be statistically meaningful.

@Nanalisa60

I think we need to vaccinate all our own people as soon as we can then all our excess vaccine should go to Africa!! As someone pointed out earlier did not see other country’s send us test when we did not have any. The only reason the EU are up in arms is that the French made them order loads of there vaccine that has now been abandoned. Also every week more and more new vaccines are being made available , so as I said an extra we have should be going to Africa.

Africa currently has 3.5m cases out of 103m worldwide, which is far less than Europe (30m), North America (30m), Asia (23m) and South America (15m). So why Africa? (source: www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

Not to belittle but every news article I’ve seen in a healthy 20/30 yr old has shown an adult who’s clinically obses - again not being mean but they’re not healthy young people as obesity is a huge risk factor for covid

I’m not saying anyone’s health is less worthy - just pointing out that most are not healthy 20/30/40

Some stats on hospital admissions by age going in to January. 20 and 30... and 40 year olds clearly aren’t making up a huge proportion of these admissions.

From the same article. Death rate by age category.
There are not plenty of healthy people under 40 in hospital and/or dying.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

I thought it was the younger age group was getting a higher number if infections buy hospital admission age wasn't affected enough to be statistically meaningful.

Correct. The infection rates were higher over all, meaning there may be more people in these ages groups within hospital vs the last wave. But the risk remains roughly the same.

I’m not completely certain where I stand on the stopping vaccination issue. I can see both sides. I just don’t like to see people seemingly anxious over what the media is reporting when the data just doesn’t back it up.

[quote Fallingrain]@Bookriddle Asking without any agenda or insight: is it really the case that there are lots of young people without any underlying health conditions OR obesity in hospital? Everyone I know who has had it who is younger and normal weight has had it very mildly. I’m not saying at all that if young overweight people are getting ill then that isn’t a concern but I’m genuinely interested in the actual risk to the majority of younger people.[/quote]
Probably depends on where in the UK you are. I'm SE and covid levels were horrendous in December. Now know from friends, family and colleagues of so many people in their 40's who have been worryingly sick, some hospitalised in ICU, and 3 have died. Only one had an underlying condition (obesity).

It seems like the Kent mutation must have a much higher viral load?

I swear the "ages in ICU" get a decade less every time someone posts about it. First it was 50s, then 40s and 30s and now it's down to 20s - at this rate we'll soon be hearing about foetuses

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I swear the "ages in ICU" get a decade less every time someone posts about it. First it was 50s, then 40s and 30s and now it's down to 20s - at this rate we'll soon be hearing about foetuses

LOL.

I heard india were charging £10 for vaccine. People flying in having vaccine staying 2 weeks having second dose then going home. The poor are unable to pay.

I hope that's wrong

I read the same @ddot

www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/serum-institute-dispatches-the-first-consignment-of-covidshield-vaccine/article33555245.ece#

200 rupees or £2 (first 100 million doses) then 1000 rupees (£10) privately.

Shame on them

It’s really difficult isn’t it. At the end of the day we are all Human, very scared about the pandemic. I agree that all frontline and vulnerable be vaccinated. Government criteria is as always, sketchy in its definition. My 20 year old has been very unwell for 2 years now and awaiting surgery for removal of parathyroid glands . She’s classed as level 2 priority ( next down from cancer surgery) She’s underweight and constantly getting infections and her lymph nodes are up and down like a yo-yo and antibiotics don’t help. She’s had one infection since May. She has had bloods done and a lymph node biopsy, thankfully all negative. But she’s obviously susceptible to infection ( has epilepsy too) but has never been shielded but to my mind she should be vaccinated pronto.
I get that there’s other people abroad that need vaccinating and also that it takes time to create the vaccines but maybe we should be showing these countries how to do it for their own people so we can take care of ours

Whilst this approach might seem unpalatable to the West, we can’t ignore that health inequality already exists in such locations. I can see some advantages:

Separating ‘private’ supply from the government supply to HCPs and the most vulnerable protects the latter from blatant corruption. Otherwise there is the potential for people to pay far more than £10 through unofficial channels to divert the government supplies to vaccinate their own, leaving less for those that it was meant for.

I assume Rs1000 is above cost so the private supply is subsidising the cost for the mass population. Rs1000 will be affordable for many low/middle income families, not just the rich.

so as I said an extra we have should be going to Africa

Why Africa? Can you break down and explain the reasons why?

Nigeria and South Africa at least have healthcare systems that are under severe strain from their own new covid variants; some countries surrounding them also have issues. Their test capacity and death tracking isn't as up to speed, but they certainly need doses more urgently than the EU, who could just wait a few extra weeks in lockdown and invest a bit more to improve their own production.

@HettieMillia

so as I said an extra we have should be going to Africa

Why Africa? Can you break down and explain the reasons why?

And perhaps be more specific - it’s a big place, after all...

And perhaps be more specific - it’s a big place, after all

Yes I was hoping for a proper breakdown there. Bet it won't be coming though.

"I swear the "ages in ICU" get a decade less every time someone posts about it. First it was 50s, then 40s and 30s and now it's down to 20s - at this rate we'll soon be hearing about foetuses"
Age group 45-64 is second highest for admission to ICU.
Bear in mind the government (wrongly IMO) set the priority list to stop at age 50, rather than 45 (which is widely acknowledged to be the real age that the risk of hospitalisation becomes significant).

BolloxtoGender
Some people’s naive unrealistic attitudes are unbelievable, and out of touch with reality, but they seem to think that’s sophisticated. To stand on the moral high ground and tell other people that it is selfish to want to prioritise your closest“

Suspect quite a few are young and healthy. I’m late middle aged, good health I think but the usual middle age niggles so who knows? Husband 61 and poor health through no fault of his own. Our youngest is now 18, controlled asthma. Sorry but I want us all vaccinated, along with our 25 year old daughter and our grandchild before UK starts donating vaccines.

It’s much easier to be idealistic when you’re at very little personal risk.

The whole world needs it.
All the rich countries need to help the poor. Problem, it is so easy to fall into corruption and a country with a space program can not be classed as poor in my opinion anyway. Someone said that a small amount to pay is doable, not if your only earning enough to eat its not

MaxNormal

People in their 20s and 30s were critically ill with no other health conditions

Any evidence for this assertion“

Fergus Walsh report, BBC News last week, amongst other mainstream media.

Demographic does seem quite different in this spike.

@Wherediditgo

Some stats on hospital admissions by age going in to January. 20 and 30... and 40 year olds clearly aren’t making up a huge proportion of these admissions.

The majority of hospital admissions and deaths involving younger people have been during January. Posting a couple of charts which don't include January at all is pointless.