WHO urges Britain to pause covid jabs after treating the vulnerable

[Jay2020]

Link

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/30/who-urges-britain-to-pause-covid-jabs-after-treating-vulnerable

I am beyond broken if this means we can't get to any kind of normality.

@HeyHeyImABeLeaver

putting aside for a moment all the craziness that happened during his four years he was/would have been the only President/Prime Minister/Leader that would have held China to account

Yes, the world needs balance

And I don't have any anti-China sentiment specifically

As if this world wasn't crazy enough we now have the EU doing a Trump & Trump looking like he made some reasonable decisions.
Wtf is going on!

Hahaha!

We can’t win - our government were proactive and invested in vaccines early on and got orders in to try to protect us. We need to have full vaccines here before giving away excess - agree with others - far too many young people (under 60’s) have died from it without known conditions - one I know was just 42 - why shouldn’t everyone be protected! Just because for once we got it right!!

Googles Chinese "investment" in UK and wishes she hadn't
www.heritage.org/asia/commentary/western-media-falls-chinas-propaganda-trap
www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/a-data-leak-shows-that-over-two-million-chinese-communist-party-members-were-secretly-embedded-in-organizations-around-the-world/amp_articleshow/79720017.cms
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9046783/Leaked-files-expose-mass-infiltration-UK-firms-Chinese-Communist-Party.html
www.teiss.co.uk/chinese-communist-party-data-leak/

Belle makes for sombre reading doesn’t it.

This is ridiculous. Our country is in a mess. We are supposed to be a first world country and yet in terms of COVID, we are almost a 3rd world one. We have had a huge number of deaths and this needs to be sorted. A lot of 3rd w countries haven't had a lot of COVID. I appreciate they need to be vaccinated but we need our country done quickly.

Surely the correct way to deal with this is not to stop vaccinating in countries where supply has been set up but investing (via COVAX) in building capacity to roll out more vaccine for the rest of the world. The UK has already contributed the same amount to COVAX as the whole of the EU - why won't they suggest that the rest of the developed world eg Germany pay their fair share?

I don't think the government will do this. Their aim is to vaccinate everyone.

I suggest that WHO buy vaccines for the vulnerable out of the mountain of money they get from everyone

Ah yes, you’re right. People in poor countries don’t matter as much as your social life 🙄

Outrageous. Excess should go to others, but I’m 32 and I want my vaccine. There are still risks to healthy people.

Oh god, did you have to BelleHathor? I'd seen the heritage.org one but not the others

Is it too early to start drinking before reading them ...?

I think that once the vulnerable are vaccinated the priority should be on ensuring all vulnerable people in as many countries as possible are vaccinated. Even if that means healthy younger people in the UK have to wait a bit longer. This is not a time for nationalism. The virus doesn't respect borders, after all.

Irish Mama, you are right. I loathed Donald Trump with all my gear and soul, but I have to think that his threat to withhold funds to the WHO was absolutely right. How dare the WHO dictate to the rest of us after the blatant breach of their own protocol.

Heart and Soul, lord knows where ‘gear’ came from!!

@HeyHeyImABeLeaver

Belle makes for sombre reading doesn’t it.

Sure does HeyHey but what can be done? Must admit I was relieved (from a national security perspective) when Boris rolled back on and prevented Huawei further involvement with the UKs 5g infrastructure. My DD is also banned from TikTok due to the servers where data is stored.

@Bookriddle Asking without any agenda or insight: is it really the case that there are lots of young people without any underlying health conditions OR obesity in hospital? Everyone I know who has had it who is younger and normal weight has had it very mildly. I’m not saying at all that if young overweight people are getting ill then that isn’t a concern but I’m genuinely interested in the actual risk to the majority of younger people.

I disagree that only people in vulnerable groups should be vaccinated in the UK. Some of vulnerable people will not build up a good immune response to the vaccine and it would be better for them if their family, and other people they are in contact with are vaccinated (assuming the vaccine reduces transmission). Also, if we give the vaccine to other countries there is no guarantee that they will be giving it to vulnerable groups anyway. The UK has a very high death rate compared with most other countries and it would make sense to make sure everyone here is offered the vaccine before giving it away.

@AlmightyBob

I think that once the vulnerable are vaccinated the priority should be on ensuring all vulnerable people in as many countries as possible are vaccinated. Even if that means healthy younger people in the UK have to wait a bit longer. This is not a time for nationalism. The virus doesn't respect borders, after all.

How are we going to ensure that is actually given to vulnerable people in other countries? Vulnerable people may not be the first priority elsewhere.

I dont think I have the right or should have the right to be vaccinated before people who are more vulnerable than me in other countries just because I'm from a rich country.

I think richer people in this country using their wealth to buy a vaccination before their place in the queue is immoral and equally I think richer countries using their wealth to jump the queue are also immoral.

You might, however, argue that some countries are more vulnerable at this or other times. I understand NZ govt have said its more important for other countries to get vaccinated before them. The UK and some other rich countries have fucked up their response so badly we might be considered more vulnerable than some.

I'd leave it to relevant experts to decide where best to concentrate efforts. It's probably quite a complicated calculation!

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Oh god, did you have to BelleHathor? I'd seen the heritage.org one but not the others

Is it too early to start drinking before reading them ...?

I can't help it Puzzled, lockdown and all, a lot of time for reading. 😅🤣🤣😁 It's always 🍷 o'clock somewhere 😉 And when you are done there is America....... www.fox6now.com/news/sec-pompeo-warns-of-china-influence-in-state-local-governments

And a honeypot story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9039065/Swalwells-family-cuts-ties-Fang-Fang-five-YEARS-warned-Communist-honeytrap.html

Must admit I was relieved (from a national security perspective) when Boris rolled back on and prevented Huawei further involvement with the UKs 5g infrastructure

I've got the Business Insider link open on another tab - my blood pressure's rising already - but let's not kid ourselves on the Huawei issue

When our economy's gone down the gurgler and the Chinese regime are one of the few who still have money to spend, do you honestly think Boris (or whoever) will still keep up the resistance?

It can't be allowed to run unchecked through the younger generations even if it is very little risk to them because of the risk of mutations is what I understand.

And yes the world needs vaccinations but that is down to the developed countries arranging their own vaccines, and then ince the developed world is done, collectively everyone can pull together to assist other countries.

Without the UKs proactive response to vaccines, without the testing and research and investment and the world beating scientists we probably wouldn't have the vaccines we already have, plus those in the pipeline. The UK has suffered more than most countries, all really and we've invested more. Those investments will be paid for by UK tax payers. It would be a travesty if the UK population didn't get the vaccines we are paying for.

WHO needs to stop coming out with the pure shite it does, put its billions of punds where its mouth is, start identifying now where they suspect there will be issues and start speaking to those countries to get a realistic plan together. And speaking to the UK and Israel and asking for best practice and advice in rolling the vaccines out, not telling us to slow down.

And when you are done there is America.......

I swear I'm going to climb through this screen and trash your laptop/phone/whatever the hell you're using!!!!!