My family have all had the vaccine and are now hanging out

[garlictwist]

My parents both have had the vaccine and my two sisters and their husbands as they are all nhs workers.

I prob won't get it for a long time as I am not in any of the groups.

Now they are all hanging out, talking about how they are going to celebrate my nephews birthday etc and I feel really left out.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?

@Blessex

As long as they wait for 3 weeks after the vaccine so it kicks in and as long as they see nobody else so no risk in passing on the virus then I don’t see any reason why not. Unless someone can explain why not.

Presumably they're active NHS staff to have been given the vaccine, so they're unlikely to "see nobody else" are they? They'll be seeing colleagues and patients at work, they may be in close contact on public transport getting to/from work. Obviously different if they are working fully from home, but surely they wouldn't have got the jab if they were 100% home workers?

Surely lockdown rules apply to all

@Blessex

As long as they wait for 3 weeks after the vaccine so it kicks in and as long as they see nobody else so no risk in passing on the virus then I don’t see any reason why not. Unless someone can explain why not.

So if vaccinated people can do this, why can't young people meet up in groups of say 5 or 6, inside each other's houses, as long as they make sure they don't come into contact with anyone else? Given they are low risk of becoming unwell and needing to be hospitalised?

@PurpleDaisies that’s why I specifically said ‘as long as they see no one else’. Who else can they spread the virus to if they don’t see anyone else?

So if they are NHS workers and will see others then of course the answer is no they shouldn’t meet up.

[quote Blessex]@PurpleDaisies that’s why I specifically said ‘as long as they see no one else’. Who else can they spread the virus to if they don’t see anyone else?[/quote]
I note you have ignored my question about the likelihood of vaccinated people of meeting a single other person.

@PurpleDaisies I don’t know. I don’t live their lives.

[quote Blessex]@PurpleDaisies I don’t know. I don’t live their lives.[/quote]
Given at least some of them are nhs workers, it’s pretty fair to assume that vaccinated people are not locked away from the rest of the population.

If you live in a household that never sees anyone else (i.e. you don't leave the house basically or you live in a rural location with acres of your own grounds), I would think it was fine for you to meet with another household who also never saw anyone else, whether you were vaccinated or not.

There are very few people who that applies to. FIL has been shielding since March and has scarcely left the house, but even he has been in contact with various medical professionals. So that's why there is a blanket "no mixing" rule.

Given at least some of them are nhs workers, it’s pretty fair to assume that vaccinated people are not locked away from the rest of the population.

Which is exactly the reason given for why isolating the elderly and vulnerable wouldn't have worked from the first lockdown, meaning that people who were very low risk and low risk of ending up in hospital had to give up an awful lot for something that didn't affect them in great numbers.

@Blessex

So if they are NHS workers and will see others then of course the answer is no they shouldn’t meet up.

So are you saying unless this is totally eradicated no one should be seeing family? Because you must know that when the over fifties and vulnerable are vaccinated society is opening up and people will be meeting up.

Will you not be seeing anyone once you and yours are vaccinated? I assume not because you think they shouldn’t.

Wait till all the over 50s bugger off abroad on summer hols this year, while the 'hard working families' won't be able to due to not having their 'vaccine passports' yet.

So are you saying unless this is totally eradicated no one should be seeing family?

Nobody is saying that. We need community rates of infection to be massively lower first so the risk of mixing is lower.

Now is not the time for people to be taking risks.

@Bluntness100 I’d assume that most people will follow the guidelines. As we have been asked to do for neArly a year now.

Once the guidelines say ‘if you’ve been vaccinated please do xyz’ then fill yer boots.
Until then, sit your asses at home and adhere to the rules like most of us (who didn’t need to), have been doing.

What’s that word? Courtesy. That’s the one.

So are you saying unless this is totally eradicated no one should be seeing family? Because you must know that when the over fifties and vulnerable are vaccinated society is opening up and people will be meeting up.

You missed "and when the number of cases and hospital admissions is at a manageable level".

And then everyone will be meeting up, vaccinated or not. Because the impact on the NHS will be minimised to a level that we can all do this. People mixing before it's ok for everyone to do so, are just extending the length of time before this happens.

@PrincessBuggerPants

Wait till all the over 50s bugger off abroad on summer hols this year, while the 'hard working families' won't be able to due to not having their 'vaccine passports' yet.

I'm over 60 and certainly not buggering off abroad, I don't think a vaccine will make us exempt from self isolation on return or quarantine hotels, we will do the same as last year hopefully and go to a few UK places in our caravan for holidays

@DraculasMa

You are still supposed to adhere to the rules even after the vaccine, I think?

Are they really thick OP? They have to stick by the rules like everyone else.

Are they really thick OP?

I doubt they are ‘thick’. Maybe totally mentally and physically exhausted with major lockdown fatigue

How utterly selfish. The rules still apply whether you’ve had a vaccine or not, there’s no evidence to suggest that the vaccine stops you spreading the virus to others who haven’t been lucky enough to be vaccinated. The NHS workers should be ashamed of themselves and may face disciplinary action if they are found out. I’m also an NHS employee here and I believe that you should be reported to your professional body for fitness to practice if you break the rules. It’s thanks to people like them that my 24 yo DS who has been indoors for best part of a year and only left the house lat week to go to the dentist because he was in agony is now Covid positive and feeling like shit. Tell them thanks a lot!

Theyre not alliwed yo do thst. Your NHS family workers are a fisgrace. An anonymous letter to the chief exec saying what ppl are doing could put an end to that.

My friends dad had first dose of the vaccine and tested positive three weeks later - he was/is part of an ongoing trial into effectiveness, so was being tested every week. He had no symptoms and is not sure where he got it, as had been following the usual guidelines.
They are being idiots - we simply just don't know enough about it yet. All we know is that you're 70% less likely to get sick with it - and that's after having being fully vaccinated.

My parents were very worried about covid before this being in their seventies.

This makes me absolutely furious. Your parents were very worried so, presumably, pro lockdown? To protect themselves, sharing the stay the fuck at home message. But not they're fine they don't care anymore.

Young people were told to stay at home to protect the vulnerable. In fact we were guilt tripped with it with the whole 'killing granny message'. This was further hammered in with a fear-mongering campaign whereby every young person who died of covid had their death massively publicised to scare us all into compliance too. We were kept at home with a mix of guilt and fear and people banging on about 'collective responsibility' and 'one life saved is worth it'. Now the old people and vulnerable are getting their vaccines they don't have to follow these laws which they were so prominent in perpetuating the message of. And suddenly the 'one life saved is worth it' has gone out the window for young people because these old people could still be part of the transmission chain that leads to a young person dying.

I think 'selfish' has been thrown around far too much in this pandemic, but this really is the epitome of 'selfish' to me. Benefitting from everyone else's sacrifices to save yourself - including the lockdown but also priority slots in supermarkets (putting the young people who work there at further risk) and en masse volunteering to help shielders and the elderly ect. But then when your personal risk is gone Fucking off the rules that benefitted you because you're no longer at risk despite having expected everyone to follow the rules whilst you were (despite their own personal lack of risk) and calling them 'selfish fuckers' if they didn't.

I can totally see why people are being less cautious once they’ve had the vaccine, it’s been a year, it’s too much of an ask to expect people to stay away from their family once their risk is so drastically reduced.

My risk has always been massively tiny. Yet I would've, and still would be called a selfish fucker if I mixed because of that tiny personal risk. In fact young people have been demonised even for following the rules simply for being young.

I think we’re going to see a lot more of this and could easily end up with a ‘two-tier’ society with the vaccinated rightly feeling they should be able to get back to normal, and the rest of us getting quickly fed up and refusing to follow restrictions either.

If it's all about personal risk they why want I allowed to 'rightly' feel that I could continue to act as normal from the start? If that's the way it's gonna be I'll stop following restrictions now as there's seemingly no point in them for me.

I think this whole thread has been set up to stir as much as possible. I know loads of people who been vaccinated now, mainly because they are frontline NHS workers but also some vulnerable people. NONE of those people including myself are behaving any differently. It's not as if they will be very well protected if they have only had one dose and nothing is bloody open anyway.

Same here Belladonna, no one I know who has had the vaccine has changed their behaviour at all.

Ancedotally I work at a Hospital, and when people say NHS workers should know better, when I go the shop or deli in the hospital the worst for getting right behind you and not distancing are NHS staff. And out of people I know going round to family's houses a high percentage of them are NHS staff.

I think there is as many not following rules in NHS staff as in general population.