My family have all had the vaccine and are now hanging out

[garlictwist]

My parents both have had the vaccine and my two sisters and their husbands as they are all nhs workers.

I prob won't get it for a long time as I am not in any of the groups.

Now they are all hanging out, talking about how they are going to celebrate my nephews birthday etc and I feel really left out.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?

I doubt this will help you OP, but I completely understand why you’d feel jealous. This whole Covid experience has been extremely isolating (even if you are at home with other family members) and to have members of your family meeting up without you and making plans for family celebrations can only exacerbate that feeling.

And (I am sure someone will have already mentioned this) it is against the rules. It’s not the gov being dix (although, of course, they are), but the science about vaccinated persons’ ability to transmit the virus is still unknown. If your mum, for example, comes into contact with someone with the virus, it is not known if she can then carry that on to, for example, your sister who could then pass it to someone unvaccinated.

That doesn’t help i know, as you are not about to go and tell on your family. But they should know better if they are all NHS workers.

They won't be protected after one vaccine. For a start it takes about 2 weeks to get into your system and the protection rate is quite low for one dose approximately about 30 percent. All NHS staff are told to abide by the social distancing rules still and to still wear correct PPE. I've had my vaccine and nothing has changed for me.

And the vaccine may not even protect against the new strain as it hasn't been tested yet.

More fool them, this virus is coming out with new strains so I wouldn’t be going around feeling I was safe after having the first dose of vaccine or at least until more is known about it. Plenty of people are still waiting.

You can still get it, no vaccine is 100%. The point is that if you get it, you won’t (hopefully) be hospitalised or die. You also need to have both sizes. Plus there’s the transmission which is not proven and won’t be for a while yet.

Sadly, I think this kind of behaviour will become common place amongst those that have had the vaccine. I have heard anecdotal evidence that people are already changing their behaviour and then shouting back that it’s because they have had the vaccine!

*doses

Sorry to rant but why oh why are people so f'ing pig-ignorant.....is it they can't read anymore or don't give a flying toss!?:

1). As many have said: we suspect transmission will be reduced if you've been vacc, but we don't know for sure or by how much;

2). Efficacy after the single dose with c. 12 week booster later on is anyone's guess tbh - RCTs didn't test for it: Israeli initial empirical data on Pfizer has shown 60% in one study & only 33% in another - that's 14-21 days post first shot. Zoe Covid app is currently showing about 50% efficacy after single dose.

So....those who've had first shot may well still get Covid (we're not sure about seriousness/morbidity yet) & may still be able to transmit to others. Which part of that do people not get = FFS!!

At this stage, the majority of the people vaccinated by now are the ones who've been shielding since March, so I don't begrudge people who've been vaccinated extending their bubble to include other people who've been vaccinated.

Oh wow. They didn’t listen to guidelines at all then when getting the vaccine

BV, It’s not about begrudging people, it’s about doing the right thing for the global population and not the few selfish ones?

I don’t know many NHS workers, carers or social workers that shielded and all have been offered the vaccine...?

Do you lot who are jealous not get it? They are NHS workers who won't get the virus but can still transmit it. So they are going to work potentially carrying the virus and potentially infecting lots of vulnerable people. Totally irresponsible. I would report them.

@MojoJojo71

How utterly selfish. The rules still apply whether you’ve had a vaccine or not, there’s no evidence to suggest that the vaccine stops you spreading the virus to others who haven’t been lucky enough to be vaccinated. The NHS workers should be ashamed of themselves and may face disciplinary action if they are found out. I’m also an NHS employee here and I believe that you should be reported to your professional body for fitness to practice if you break the rules. It’s thanks to people like them that my 24 yo DS who has been indoors for best part of a year and only left the house lat week to go to the dentist because he was in agony is now Covid positive and feeling like shit. Tell them thanks a lot!

And now I’ve tested positive too and I’ve been vaccinated!

no no no, they should not be doing that, unlikely they will catch covid after having the vaccine but they can still be carriers so please carry on as you have been doing

The advice is that even if you’ve had the vaccine you should act as though you haven’t!! Me and my DH have both had the vaccine but have not changed our behaviour at all. I think your family are being insensitive towards you and irresponsible in every way. As NHS workers they really should know better

Report them. It's illegal whether they've had the vaccine or not, it doesn't stop the virus spreading. The NHS workers especially - they could kill people and they are 100% aware of that. Disgusting behaviour.

Call them. Tell them no need to exclude you as they are vaccinated even though you’re not. They presumably think they can’t catch it or pass it so why does it matter that you’ve not had the vaccine? I’d love to know their thinking so let us know!

@MamaTookMyEyebrows

I mean it depends what else they are doing though doesn’t it.

My husband and I work from home. Only place we go is the supermarket from time to time (usually click and collect so no contact there) and the occasional walk on the beach with the kids. Many of our friends are in the same position.

Now it’s moot because none of us have been vaccinated, but if we had and we were all meeting up (safe in the knowledge that we weren’t going to become ill) then given the lack of contact with other people, schools closed etc, I’m not really seeing the big deal 🤷🏻‍♀️

Different if you’re working out of the home or on public transport etc obviously.

If none of you are coming into contact with other people (so no risk of transmitting on) and had been vaccinated, then I can understand this. It's no risk to you or others. That's not the case in OPs post though.

However, I do have concerns that when case numbers go down due to vaccinations, many vaccinated will feel safe, lots will open up and people won't give a shit about onward transmission as they are "safe" and those of us in the middle will have to take our chances. Long covid and school transmission will also be silenced again by politicians and media. I don't know what the answer is!

[quote garlictwist]@lljkk maybe you're right. Maybe I am envious and I don't feel like a good person for feeling that way. I am just finding things hard and all this has made me feel even more lonely and upset. [/quote]
I think the way you feel is understandable tbh.

If your family that have had their first vaccine are now all ‘hanging out’ then they are stupid and totally irresponsible and being NHS workers really should know better

I’m a man ambulance worker with the LAS, Scubadiving?? We have lots 10’s of staff? All good and decent hardworking family people.

If they haven't had their 2nd jab (which I don't believe anyone currently has in England?) They should not be hanging out. Completely defeats the whole point of having the vaccine. FFS

Actually LI’s there’s loads of people that have had their 2nd vaccine in the southeast.

I’m worried about this large gap between the two doses of vaccine too. It’s a gamble and reading all these comments I can see why the behavioural scientist lot may have urged the govt. to give more people that first jab - reducing the risk by 30% (think this is the figure) to many people rather than 95% to a smaller group as there is bound to be more confusion and mixing after people have been vaccinated.
Sort of spreading the butter very thinly - I think it’s really confusing -
We don’t really know how long the vaccine works for - I’ve read six months so to me that sounds like we’ll have a kind of rolling vaccination program for at least another year and maybe longer - so presumably we will go in and out of local or national lockdowns for some time.

Presume you mean that your family have had both 1st and 2nd dose vaccines?

They aren't supposed to mixing!

Firstly - the 1st vaccination definitely doesn't protect you completely, even after the second it is doubtful.

But the worst bit is you can still spread to others after vaccination. Clearly they either don't care or aren't too smart.