My family have all had the vaccine and are now hanging out

[garlictwist]

My parents both have had the vaccine and my two sisters and their husbands as they are all nhs workers.

I prob won't get it for a long time as I am not in any of the groups.

Now they are all hanging out, talking about how they are going to celebrate my nephews birthday etc and I feel really left out.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?

The jab doesn't seem to have eradicated stupidity.

@SummerBlondey

Given that vaccinated people can still carry and pass on the virus, EVERYONE should behave as if we are in lockdown, until the whole country has been vaccinated.

The tables have been turned, haven't they?

At the start of the pandemic, young people put their lives on hold, to protect the old and the vulnerable.

Once the old and the vulnerable have all been vaccinated, will they stay indoors to protect the people who previously protected them?

Well no. On no planet are the restrictions staying in place till the whole country is vaccinated

Restrictions will be lifted when vulnerable and over fifties are vaccinayed, because it’s over whelmingly a benign virus for everyone else. Not all but the vast majority. Just like flu or pneumonia.

I am really not getting this vaccine envy. Yes its great that people are being vaccinated so they will not die but to be actually envious of other people seems pretty over the top to me.

@BackBoiler

I am really not getting this vaccine envy. Yes its great that people are being vaccinated so they will not die but to be actually envious of other people seems pretty over the top to me.

And not just a stranger

Parents and siblings in this case!

The youth are giving up the most

I understood that the whole point of lockdown was to avoid the health service from getting overwhelmed. Everyone loses if there is no access to medical treatment.

I also understood that we will not achieve herd immunity with covid, so the aim is to lower its more deadly effects, which the vaccine promises to do.

I'm not suggesting the whole country shuts down forever, but we are only at the start of the recovery plan with the vaccine rollout. Most of the elderly vulnerable have only had the first dose. We need to take it carefully. Hopefully, in a few months time we will be able to relax restrictions but not yet, otherwise we will never get out of this

@wanderings

* Saint Boris is desperately trying to avert this envy by instructing his merry men to say "the vaccine isn't very effective" - the government are deliberately underselling the vaccine, so people don't fight over it. They'll probably switch the narrative to "Looooooooooook! The vaccine is working!!!!!!!!" when it suits them.*

Firstly, Boris seems to have the right idea given many do indeed seem to be envious and pissed off re those that are getting it

Secondly, seems a sensible approach to me. To exercise caution during the rollout, and then celebrate success when more appropriate

I should get my vaccination hopefully about March, over 60 group and don't really envisage acting any differently, I will still be wondering exactly how far local is, not able to visit family and still having to abide by all the rules. We should hopefully be all released a bit by Easter.

Everyone loses if there is no access to medical treatment.

This impacts young people a lot less than older people

My parents and brother have been in a bubble from as soon as support bubbles were allowed, so they've all been living pretty much as normal while I've been here. The whole time. So I know how you feel.

They shouldn't be doing this yet, though.

@Mummyoflittledragon

I would have supported vaccinating the 50-70s in the first group. They are the ones putting pressure on the NHS. The over 80s tend to either get better or die - they don’t clog up ICU for weeks

50-70s would reduce the pressure on the NHS first and allow things to open up - yea there would be more deaths on the older group but the overall benefit to society would be greater

No one has had the balls to say that though

So young people who are likely to suffer no serious effects of COVID are locked down to prevent transmission to vulnerable people who could die, but those people who might die who have now had the vaccine are quite content to transmit it because of an ‘I’m alright Jack’ attitude. Nice.

We’re all in it together until we aren’t any more apparently.

How many times have we been told on MN to assess our own risk?

Told on MN? Told by whom?

Had my jab yesterday and was told You still have to follow e rules and can’t go out as normal. It also takes a few weeks to work

@Bluesheep8 people say that to justify why they are breaking the rules (and ignoring the fact that they may transmit the virus to someone outside their made up bubble)

@Updatemate the point of a vaccine is to create immunity. If it doesn't create immunity it's not effective. I know there is some uncertainty around transmission post vaccination and there is a possibility they could carry small amounts of the virus whilst fighting it off but this is very unlikely. They also are ALL vaccinated so even if they do pass it to each other they aren't likely to get ill.
If we can't socialize after vaccination, what is the point of it?

The first dose is only 30-50 percent effective so can still carry and transmit it, it just means the vaccinated person won’t become seriously unwell if they catch it themselves,

Bluesheep8people say that to justify why they are breaking the rules (and ignoring the fact that they may transmit the virus to someone outside their made up bubble)

Ah yes, I should have realised that but as I'm not one of those people, the MN risk assessment instruction, which is completely different to the instructions given to the rest of the country hadn't reached me.

@TransplantedScouser I agree completely- although to say it on here you are accused of being a granny killer and selfish.

Do people consider that by vaccinating those in their 90s as a priority, and making other age groups wait, that more people in their 50s, 60s and 70s (and younger) will die as a result?

Do people expect immortality? I've said it on other threads more articulately but I thought it was well understood that we are all born, we live and then we die, and the more years you get, the better. It's not saying that people in their 90s don't matter, everyone deserves respect and to be treated with care and valued. But I'm sorry it is just not the same for a 95 year old to die than a 25 year old. Or a 70 year old.

People can flame me, im beyond caring.

Considering hospitals have been where a lot of patients have caught covid, it's very worrying that NHS staff are ignoring the rules just because they feel they're safe due to having been vaccinated. What about the patients they're coming into contact with?

So they've all had their 2 doses? Either way they should be still adhering to the guidelines.

[quote TransplantedScouser]@Mummyoflittledragon

I would have supported vaccinating the 50-70s in the first group. They are the ones putting pressure on the NHS. The over 80s tend to either get better or die - they don’t clog up ICU for weeks

50-70s would reduce the pressure on the NHS first and allow things to open up - yea there would be more deaths on the older group but the overall benefit to society would be greater

No one has had the balls to say that though[/quote]
I can totally see the logic in this.

As long as they wait for 3 weeks after the vaccine so it kicks in and as long as they see nobody else so no risk in passing on the virus then I don’t see any reason why not. Unless someone can explain why not.

@Blessex

As long as they wait for 3 weeks after the vaccine so it kicks in and as long as they see nobody else so no risk in passing on the virus then I don’t see any reason why not. Unless someone can explain why not.

People have already explained this. We don’t know if they can pass the virus on.

Are vaccinated people likely to be interacting with no other people?

@Blessex

As long as they wait for 3 weeks after the vaccine so it kicks in and as long as they see nobody else so no risk in passing on the virus then I don’t see any reason why not. Unless someone can explain why not.

OP did say that quite a few were NHS workers, so unless they are all working from home (in which case not sure why they would be vaccinated) it seems unlikely they see nobody else.