My family have all had the vaccine and are now hanging out

[garlictwist]

My parents both have had the vaccine and my two sisters and their husbands as they are all nhs workers.

I prob won't get it for a long time as I am not in any of the groups.

Now they are all hanging out, talking about how they are going to celebrate my nephews birthday etc and I feel really left out.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?

[OverTheRainbow88]

This is where the problems start.

I’m young ish; healthy and probably wouldn’t get ill from covid (touch wood) but I’m following the guidelines to protect others.

If people getting vaccinated do whatever they please others will still following suit. If all my friends were vaccinated and started to socially hang out I would be tempted to join in.

[LovingBob]

I thought everyone had to follow the same laws and guidelines, transmission doesn't really come into it. If you were having a gathering I don't think 'sorry officer, I've been vaccinated or I'm NHS' would mean you wouldn't get a fine

[PurpleDaisies]

[quote Peanutquavers123]@PurpleDaisies so how else are we going to gather the data on transmission if we don’t allow vaccinated people to mix?[/quote]
I have already said. People aren’t living in hermetically sealed bubbles. They are mixing in supermarkets, work, school etc.

And restrictions are going to be eased later when the cases are lower and more are vaccinated.

[Peanutquavers123]

@PurpleDaisies and as I already said, seeing as they’re going to school and work etc, what does it matter if they go and see another vaccinated person, truthfully?

Or is your real issue with it because not everyone is vaccinated yet, so it seems unfair to you?

[PurpleDaisies]

Or is your real issue with it because not everyone is vaccinated yet, so it seems unfair to you?

That’s a bizarre conclusion to leap to.

[movingonup20]

They are breaking the law, end of! As you parents are only 70's they will have only had it in the last week so it will not have taken affect yet.

I wouldn't report my family in such circumstances but remind them they are not covered until 2 weeks after the second dose, assuming it works for them, it's only 70% effective!

[Changechangychange]

@TheKeatingFive

How long did you want them to wait for? Til you’re vaxxed? Everyone? That could be months and months.

If you’re not in the groups it’s because you’re low risk and if I’m perfectly honest, if I were you I’d be tempted to join them.

They could at least wait until the end of lockdown, instead of meeting up in illegal large family gatherings?

[Peanutquavers123]

@PurpleDaisies I’m struggling to see another conclusion to leap to - you’re unable to give me any solid reason that it’s unacceptable for a vaccinated person to see another vaccinated person, aside from the vaccine might not stop transmission... except you’ve admitted that people are still going to school and work etc, and the evidence needs to be gathered in order to work out the vaccine’s effect on transmission suppression.

I genuinely don’t understand why vaccinated people cannot mix amongst themselves. 🤷‍♀️

[Bluntness100]

Op, I can see how this is a bit shit for you. But to be honest, if I’d been vaccinated, especially if I’d had two doses and my parents vaccinated I’d likely visit them too. The reality is I think most folks would in real life.

Do try to remember it is only a matter of time though, soon enough you will also be vaccinated and the restrictions will also be eased. By the summer it will be very different and I’m sure they miss your company.

[Dowser]

@Updatemate

This is completely against the advice.

I'd report the NHS workers to their hospital trust.

Would you really?
What is it with snitchers and curtain twitchers?
Absolutely cannot stand mean minded Individuals.
Why don’t they just get on with their own lives and leave others to do the same.

[Mousehole10]

@OverTheRainbow88

This is where the problems start.

I’m young ish; healthy and probably wouldn’t get ill from covid (touch wood) but I’m following the guidelines to protect others.

If people getting vaccinated do whatever they please others will still following suit. If all my friends were vaccinated and started to socially hang out I would be tempted to join in.

Yep, same here. If vaccinated people start mixing now I’m going to do the same. Why should I give up anymore if my life to protect others when the people I’m trying to protect won’t do the same once vaccinated. Completely done with this.

[LovingBob]

I genuinely don’t understand why vaccinated people cannot mix amongst themselves

They can mix according to the rules everyone has to follow which I believe is meeting one person for exercise, 2 metres apart

[Dowser]

@movingonup20

They are breaking the law, end of! As you parents are only 70's they will have only had it in the last week so it will not have taken affect yet.

I wouldn't report my family in such circumstances but remind them they are not covered until 2 weeks after the second dose, assuming it works for them, it's only 70% effective!

Good lord!
Another one!
Just get on with your own life and let others do the same.

[PurpleDaisies]

Good lord!
Another one!
Just get on with your own life and let others do the same.

It’s really not that simple. How others are behaving has profound effects on all our lives at the moment, either by infecting us or our loved ones or keeping cases so high we have to stay in lockdown.

[Peanutquavers123]

@LovingBob but why? Surely if being vaccinated is protecting you from the virus, why can’t you then resume socialising with other vaccinated people once you’ve received two jabs and waited the necessary 3 weeks?

What reasoning is behind this decision, other than a vague “we don’t know how well the vaccine suppresses transmission” which realistically means we need to allow mixing in order to gather that data?

People have already had a very new vaccine, I’m sure they’d be willing to take any perceived risk.

[TransplantedScouser]

I’d personally support a system where by if your vaccinated you have a wrist band and can get your life back.

And I say that as a 44 year old down the pecking order.

We need people to start living again not existing

[LovingBob]

[quote Peanutquavers123]@LovingBob but why? Surely if being vaccinated is protecting you from the virus, why can’t you then resume socialising with other vaccinated people once you’ve received two jabs and waited the necessary 3 weeks?

What reasoning is behind this decision, other than a vague “we don’t know how well the vaccine suppresses transmission” which realistically means we need to allow mixing in order to gather that data?

People have already had a very new vaccine, I’m sure they’d be willing to take any perceived risk.[/quote]
Because it is against the law

[PurpleDaisies]

@Peanutquavers123

Vaccinated person is infected with no symptoms. Meets another vaccinated person and passes the infection on. Now we have two vaccinated people who can spread the infection. And so on and so on.

People who have been vaccinated still interact with others who haven’t been vaccinated so they can unwittingly become routes of transmission. None of the vaccines are 100z% effective, especially after one dose so they’re still at risk of becoming ill themselves.

Is this really not clear?

[Peanutquavers123]

@LovingBob but why? Why is it against the law?

Why isn’t vaccination our gateway back to normality? What is?

[Bluntness100]

I genuinely don’t understand why vaccinated people cannot mix amongst themselves

People don’t think it’s fair. Logically of course th fact the restrictions will be eased when the vaccination program further rolled out, states very clearly that vaccinated people can indeed mix.

But some people feel that complying with the rules is simply about complying with the rules and not about making your own decision on risks within your bubble and that it’s unfair if everyone else can’t do it

[Peanutquavers123]

@PurpleDaisies what evidence is there to say the vaccine does not suppress transmission?

I understand there is not data to suggest it does... so I ask you again, how will we gather this data without allowing mixing?

[Forgetmenot157]

[quote garlictwist]@lljkk maybe you're right. Maybe I am envious and I don't feel like a good person for feeling that way. I am just finding things hard and all this has made me feel even more lonely and upset. [/quote]
Put it this way, if you had the vaccine too, would you be joining them?

[LovingBob]

You will still get a fine if you get caught socialising from 2 different household, people round my way have been fined for car sharing, I doubt whether or not they had been vaccinated came into it

[PurpleDaisies]

Why isn’t vaccination our gateway back to normality?
It will be.

What is?
Following the rules until we have low enough cases and we know how the vaccines affect transmission.

We need to be patient.

[Peanutquavers123]

@Bluntness100

I genuinely don’t understand why vaccinated people cannot mix amongst themselves

People don’t think it’s fair. Logically of course th fact the restrictions will be eased when the vaccination program further rolled out, states very clearly that vaccinated people can indeed mix.

But some people feel that complying with the rules is simply about complying with the rules and not about making your own decision on risks within your bubble and that it’s unfair if everyone else can’t do it

You’ve hit the nail on the head there!