My family have all had the vaccine and are now hanging out

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My parents both have had the vaccine and my two sisters and their husbands as they are all nhs workers.

I prob won't get it for a long time as I am not in any of the groups.

Now they are all hanging out, talking about how they are going to celebrate my nephews birthday etc and I feel really left out.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?

I mean what’s going to happen when the majority are vaccinated but there are still loads of people who are not vaccinated, whether by choice or because they have a medical condition that means it is not advisable (if such things exist - presumably they do) or no NHS number or whatever.

If the vaccine doesn’t prevent transmission of the virus will we still be “allowed” to return to normal? Will the unvaccinated just be expected to take their chances? Or is it expected to be like measles etc where it is hoped the vaccination levels are high enough that the danger will be greatly reduced even for the unvaccinated?

Excuse my ignorance on this but it makes me nervous whenever I read anti-vax shite on Twitter.

They’re supposed to stick to the rules. We don’t know if vaccination stops transmission yet and mixing before the 2nd dose adds to the risk of developing a new mutation that can resist the vaccine.

I’d be annoyed too in your position. I’d be relieved they’d had the first jab but annoyed I was being left out and that they were putting others at risk.

Why else would anyone be prepared to be some of the first to have a vaccine that they're are still so many questions about, than to be able to see a few loved ones.

Do they not realise they are unlikely to have immunity yet and will never know what % of immunity they eventually have?!

I could literally weep at the thkight of what many (most) of us have been through and then people do this and there will be loads who do this. Just feel defeated and as if we may as well not have bothered.
That’s the first time in my adult life I have used ‘I could literally weep’ and I mean every word. Makes me feel fearful ffs.

mama I think a lot is still unclear. I’ve thought the same. I’m assuming masks will still feature for quite some time. Those not vaccinated will be at higher risk of worse effects. Etc.

YANBU. This has been happening throughout the past year with many families where some follow the guidelines and as a result are excluded from events that the ones that don’t organise.
Unfortunately the addition of the vaccine into that mix is only going to emphasise those differences further.
It sucks but there’s nothing you can do. Raise a (valid) objection and they’ll accuse you of being jealous, bitter, judgemental etc. I’d bite my tongue if possible.

This is one of the reasons this country will be in and out of lockdown for at least the next 12 months and many more will die , people selfishly ignoring public health advice.

Selfish fuckwits. They are incredibly fortunate to get the vaccine so early, the very least they can do is follow the rules.

My parents have both had the first jab now, but they wouldn't dream of socialising with anyone just yet. They have a sense of social responsibility.

@HeronLanyon

I could literally weep at the thkight of what many (most) of us have been through and then people do this and there will be loads who do this. Just feel defeated and as if we may as well not have bothered. That’s the first time in my adult life I have used ‘I could literally weep’ and I mean every word. Makes me feel fearful ffs.

Exactly how I feel. I'm very scared that this whole mess will be prolonged by such reckless behaviour.

Do some ppl not realise that- 1 even with the vaccine you can still catch it, 2 you may still pass it on to someone else also vaccinated, 3 the vaccine builds up over the weeks in your system and you don't have full cover (which isn't 100% as you will not be immune anyway) and you will only get majority cover weeks after 2nd vaccine, 4 even if you have the 2nd dose you still need to abide by the lockdown rules!!??

The vaccines have been sold as if most of the protection is in the first one and hardly anyone seems to care about when on earth the 15 million people in the first 4 groups are going to get the second.

So people are behaving as if they are "vaccinated" when they are not, yet.

This is grossly irresponsible behaviour. As NHS workers they should know that ‘Nobody is vaccinated until everyone is vaccinated’. That’s how herd immunity works.

@hMG206

There is no them and us.

They are still capable of getting and transmitting covid. They just may not be as affected as those who haven’t had the vaccine. What kind of NHS fuckwits are they not to know this?

It's no wonder so many people going into hospital for something other than COVID, end up catching it.

While the majority of NHS staff are mindful of their responsibilities, like the wider society a significant minority do not care a jot for anyone but themselves.

Well they are being stupid and the nhs workers should know better

Did the6 not see the recent press conference? They have to stay apart for at least three weeks and even then it’s not known if they can still transmit the virus. The second jab may help, but again it’s an unknown

It’s been made very clear that SD will have to continue for a while yet, and that until 80% odd of the population are vaccinated we don’t have herd immunity. Added to which the vaccine won’t stop them from catching it, just make the symptoms less.

The only think you can do is explain to them how upset they are making you feel

It's not just about breaking the rules, but about being totally idiotic! They are not fully protected after one dose; and they can still carry covid to others - what planet have they been living on!?

Can't you still catch it after having the 1st dose?

I've read multiple accounts of people having the first vaccine then catching covid soon after because you don't get immunity straight away.

I certainly wouldn't start mingling at that stage.

Oh brilliant so all our kids are stuck at home losing their education and not seeing other children to protect the elderly meanwhile the elderly are out partying? What’s the fucking point? Selfish, selfish bastards.

Oh and PS. My mum had her vaccination 3 weeks ago and tested positive a week ago (caught it at work not being selfish). Every member of staff in her care home except the manager and all but 2 residents have caught it and 3 have died. So they might want to reconsider their actions.

They work for the nhs and think this allows them mix , I am suspect about this post as I know a lot of people both nhs and elderly who have had the jab and none are mixing

Takes 3 weeks to build up antibody response after vaccine. They could still get covid, with only one jab they could be unlucky and still get sick. Seems risky with current infection rates.

@LadyCatStark

Oh brilliant so all our kids are stuck at home losing their education and not seeing other children to protect the elderly meanwhile the elderly are out partying? What’s the fucking point? Selfish, selfish bastards.

If they were shielding they may have stayed at home for 10 months in order not to overwhelm our NHS, so I don't begrudge them.

The problem is them thinking they're bloody invincible when they are not vaccinated yet. They've just had one jab.

I'm worried about lots of old people getting covid after one jab because they've been taught to conflate 1 jab with "vaccinated".

Funny as all the people I know who have the jab understand there is no evidence it stops spreading yet, that ideally they need two jabs at very least 3 weeks for first one to even offer some protection.
Yet you claim 4 nhs workers who do not know this.
Maybe report them to their trust as how they are behaving is a risk to others.
But then I know no one behaving like this who has had the jab not one and I know a couple who have had both ( older ) they are still following rules and being careful

@PrincessNutNuts my nan is 87 she has had one jab she is aware that she needs another and that this does not allow her to break any rules as do the nhs and careworkers I know that have had them, I don't think this behaviour applies to the vast majority

There are cases where people have tested positive after first dose.
After first vaccine you’re not immediately protected.
We don’t know if vaccinated people can still transmit virus.
No one is vaccinated until everyone is.
They are doing exactly what the NHS fears people will do.
More education is needed obviously.