My family have all had the vaccine and are now hanging out

[garlictwist]

My parents both have had the vaccine and my two sisters and their husbands as they are all nhs workers.

I prob won't get it for a long time as I am not in any of the groups.

Now they are all hanging out, talking about how they are going to celebrate my nephews birthday etc and I feel really left out.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?

[Emerald99]

I've had vaccine and I'm staying with rules (frontline nhs) could still pass something on to a family member not worth the risk

[PrincessNutNuts]

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@PrincessNutNuts my nan is 87 she has had one jab she is aware that she needs another and that this does not allow her to break any rules as do the nhs and careworkers I know that have had them, I don't think this behaviour applies to the vast majority [/quote]
Good.

Let's hope so.

Or that's where the next 50,000 deaths comes from.

[Pipandmum]

Unbelievable. In what capacity do they work for the NHS? Because surely they can't be medical staff who would know you are not protected from one jab until a couple weeks after and it is not 100% protection even after the second so they are to abide by the rules as much as anyone. It had been made clear over and over again. Shame on them.

[Harmonypuss]

If the only members of the family who are 'hanging out together' are those who've already had the vaccine and waited the 3 weeks for their immunity to kick in, and aren't including anyone else in their get togethers or anyone who lives with someone who's not yet had the vaccine, I can't see what the issue is, they're all covered and not mixing with anyone who's not covered, so they should be perfectly safe to do so. It's only when they include people who either haven't received the vaccine or live/come into contact with others who haven't had it yet, that the issue of safety becomes a problem IMHO.

[yearinyearout]

If they've only had one jab they shouldn't be hanging out together, especially if the younger members of the family work in care/health which I assume they do.

[Fembot123]

@Harmonypuss

If the only members of the family who are 'hanging out together' are those who've already had the vaccine and waited the 3 weeks for their immunity to kick in, and aren't including anyone else in their get togethers or anyone who lives with someone who's not yet had the vaccine, I can't see what the issue is, they're all covered and not mixing with anyone who's not covered, so they should be perfectly safe to do so. It's only when they include people who either haven't received the vaccine or live/come into contact with others who haven't had it yet, that the issue of safety becomes a problem IMHO.

I think it’s because they are involving kids, nephew’s birthday party planning.

[CKBJ]

I can clearly see why you feel left out but on the flip side if they’ve had the full vaccine, waited the 3weeks and only mixing with likewise people, don’t think you can blame them. A question of a similar scenario was posed to Chris Whitty at a press conference last week by a member of public. He never actually answered it but dodged it by saying vaccinated people should follow the rules like everyone else because transmission is unknown and a vaccinated person may pass it onto a unvaccinated person. Nothing mentioned about the question of vaccinated meeting vaccinated. The more people vaccinated the more this will occur...and slowly but surely “normal” life begins again.

[sassbott]

Hmmm. Stay home, save lives. Unless you’re NHS staff and have been vaccinated. Then you can do what you’d like to do.

Outrageous behaviour. Civil liberties have been taken from all of us, including our kids (even though on paper my kids and I are highly unlikely to die from this) and the very same staff we are being urged to help are now mixing without any regard to the rules?

Christ, if that continues, there will be riots here too. Appalling behaviour.

[sassbott]

Yes i too would like ‘normal’ life to begin. Shall I start living as I wish to with a blatant disregard for the rules?

[HelloMissus]

Where are they going out to celebrate? Tesco?

[ineedaholidaynow]

I assume the NHS workers are mixing with people unless they all WFH. And if they work from home why are they priority for the vaccine?

[Peanutquavers123]

I genuinely don’t understand how we’re supposed to find out if the vaccine suppresses transmission without allowing vaccinated people to mix? Surely we need to be mixing in order to gather the data?

[LovingBob]

I didn't realise that vaccinated people didn't have to follow lockdown rules like everyone else.

[PurpleDaisies]

@Peanutquavers123

I genuinely don’t understand how we’re supposed to find out if the vaccine suppresses transmission without allowing vaccinated people to mix? Surely we need to be mixing in order to gather the data?

People are “mixing” though. They’re going to work, going shopping, going to school etc.

[ineedaholidaynow]

@LovingBob don’t you watch the news etc

[Peanutquavers123]

@PurpleDaisies

So what difference does it truthfully make if a vaccinated person pops to see another vaccinated person? We need the data on mixing in order to work out whether the vaccine suppresses transmission, so vaccinated people mixing is surely what we need in order to gather that data?

[LovingBob]

I watch the news and I haven't seen anything that vaccinated people are exempt from the rules and don't get fine etc, must have missed it.

[TransplantedScouser]

Will people stop saying it does not stop transmission- there is no evidence to that. It’s just there is no evidence it does!

Almost all vaccines do so if you are an optimist then you assume it does.

[PurpleDaisies]

[quote Peanutquavers123]@PurpleDaisies

So what difference does it truthfully make if a vaccinated person pops to see another vaccinated person? We need the data on mixing in order to work out whether the vaccine suppresses transmission, so vaccinated people mixing is surely what we need in order to gather that data?[/quote]
Vaccinated people are going to unlikely to develop symptomatic illness. They’ll just pass it on (assuming the vaccine has little effect on transmission).

This is not a good way of getting data.

[TransplantedScouser]

I’m not saying that they are exempt from the rules but it’s the repetition of the not stopping transmission as if it’s fact

[GappyValley]

If they are just hanging out as a group, and not bringing anyone into the group, then surely there isn't much of an issue.

All the 'oh but the advice!' crowd are overlooking that advice is written for the lowest common denominator to understanding, so is going to be overly cautious and simplistic, to avoid confusing people

Anyone with a bit of scientific training is going to be able to be a bit more pragmatic about it.

Eg the official advice was not to assume that having antibodies gave you any sort of protection and therefore abide by all rules

In reality, my doctor and scientist mates all knew it meant they have a level of protection so happily formed 'antibody positive' bubbles for them and their kids, even when it broke the rules. Unsurprisingly, none of them have it a second time

[PurpleDaisies]

@TransplantedScouser

I’m not saying that they are exempt from the rules but it’s the repetition of the not stopping transmission as if it’s fact

But we do have to assume it has no effect on transmission until we have that data. It’s the same as people assuming they’re infectious.

[Mousehole10]

@LovingBob

I watch the news and I haven't seen anything that vaccinated people are exempt from the rules and don't get fine etc, must have missed it.

You haven’t, they aren’t exempt. These people are completely breaking the law.

[Peanutquavers123]

@PurpleDaisies so how else are we going to gather the data on transmission if we don’t allow vaccinated people to mix?

[ineedaholidaynow]

Sorry @LovingBob I misread your post, I thought you said you thought people didn’t have to follow the rules once vaccinated. It’s a pity OP’s family don’t watch the news