My family have all had the vaccine and are now hanging out

[garlictwist]

My parents both have had the vaccine and my two sisters and their husbands as they are all nhs workers.

I prob won't get it for a long time as I am not in any of the groups.

Now they are all hanging out, talking about how they are going to celebrate my nephews birthday etc and I feel really left out.

Is this how it's going to be from now on?

[LovingBob]

[quote Peanutquavers123]@LovingBob but why? Why is it against the law?

Why isn’t vaccination our gateway back to normality? What is?[/quote]
I don't fucking know, I don't set the laws, the government do, write to Boris and ask him

[Peanutquavers123]

@PurpleDaisies that’s invalid data though isn’t it? We can’t gain a true picture of virus suppression with the vaccine if everyone is living artificially suppressed lives.

[ineedaholidaynow]

But you can only look at risks in your own bubble if your bubble is the only human interaction you have. If the NHS workers don’t WFH then mixing households isn’t just a risk to the mixing households but a risk to everyone they have contact with at work, public transport if they use it etc

[Peanutquavers123]

@LovingBob if I thought I’d get anything more than an incoherent scrawl from that nob I would. 😂

[PurpleDaisies]

[quote Peanutquavers123]@PurpleDaisies that’s invalid data though isn’t it? We can’t gain a true picture of virus suppression with the vaccine if everyone is living artificially suppressed lives.[/quote]
We can’t just go straight back to normal in case the cases sky rocket again. That would be incredibly reckless.

[Forgetmenot157]

I honestly think come the first of March, a couple of weeks after the top groups have been vaccinated, we need to start allowing mixing... If anything so we can see if the vaccine reduces transmission.

[Peanutquavers123]

@PurpleDaisies but we can’t gain a true picture of the efficacy of the vaccine on transmission without allowing vaccinated people to mix amongst themselves.

Bit of a catch 22 here isn’t there? We’ll either have to take a risk, or continue existing like this indefinitely.

I know which option I, and everyone I know (including very vulnerable people) would rather take. 🤷‍♀️

Nice chatting to you and gaining a greater understanding. ;)

[Changechangychange]

@Peanutquavers123 I caught Covid early on, and have had antibodies throughout. The same sort of antibodies you get through vaccination.

In your opinion, should I ever have bothered with lockdown? How about other people who have caught it and aren’t sure if they have antibodies or not (which is the situation most vaccinated people will be in). Do people who had already had covid need to both with masks, self-isolation and lockdown, or can they do what they like?

If you think those two situations are different, can you explain why? Immunologically they are the same (vaccinated and previously-infected people probably have antibodies, not guaranteed, not clear how well those antibodies prevent asymptomatic transmission).

[Bluntness100]

I don't fucking know, I don't set the laws, the government do, write to Boris and ask him

The government has clearly stated that once they get to a certain point in the vaccination program restrictions will be eased. It is our gateway

The ressson they cannot tell people that if you’re vaccinated you can go out and about as normal is because how the hell do you control it? Vaccine passports? How many folks will fake those? You’d immediately lose control

So you need to keep the rules in place till you get to the point in the roll out where you know you’ve protected those vulnerable.

[knittingaddict]

@LadyCatStark

Oh brilliant so all our kids are stuck at home losing their education and not seeing other children to protect the elderly meanwhile the elderly are out partying? What’s the fucking point? Selfish, selfish bastards.

Only some will be like this, just like some young people have behaved irresponsibly. No age group is a homogeneous mass. There are sensible and stupid people amongst all ages.

[PurpleDaisies]

Bit of a catch 22 here isn’t there? We’ll either have to take a risk, or continue existing like this indefinitely.

You think now is the moment for taking big risks like that? With hospitals still struggling and cases really high?

[Mousehole10]

[quote Peanutquavers123]@LovingBob but why? Why is it against the law?

Why isn’t vaccination our gateway back to normality? What is?[/quote]
It will be. But people need to wait until the most vulnerable have been vaccinated first. Otherwise what have we all been doing this last year? I’m low risk, my friends and family are low risk but everyone has been keeping to the rules to protect the more vulnerable. Surely now these people are being vaccinated they still need to comply to protect other vulnerable people who haven’t yet been vaccinated, just until they have been? Once they have then fair enough really, we should all be able to get back to normal.

[Peanutquavers123]

[quote Changechangychange]@Peanutquavers123 I caught Covid early on, and have had antibodies throughout. The same sort of antibodies you get through vaccination.

In your opinion, should I ever have bothered with lockdown? How about other people who have caught it and aren’t sure if they have antibodies or not (which is the situation most vaccinated people will be in). Do people who had already had covid need to both with masks, self-isolation and lockdown, or can they do what they like?

If you think those two situations are different, can you explain why? Immunologically they are the same (vaccinated and previously-infected people probably have antibodies, not guaranteed, not clear how well those antibodies prevent asymptomatic transmission).[/quote]
I think as we have a vaccine that is supposed to ease the pandemic, once people have had their 2 doses and waited 3 weeks we need to be allowing them to mix amongst themselves in order to gather data on the efficacy of the vaccine on suppressing the virus in terms of transmission.

We’re supposed to be coming to the end of it, to a solution that allows us to resume our lives... we need to be testing that. Your example bears no relation to what I’m saying, as you having covid early on bears no relevance to how effective the vaccine is on suppressing transmission... which is apparently why nobody who is vaccinated can mix.

[TransplantedScouser]

There is an old adage often forgotten by pessimists - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

[Pimlicojo]

Part of the problem is that if vaccinated people are allowed to mix and do things differently there would be a percentage of the population (it's just a flu...) who would do the same. It would set us back weeks. And who could prove who had been vaccinated and who hasn't.

[sassbott]

All I’ll say is this. If people think this is acceptable (and it is clearly against the rules unless you live under a rock), then perfectly reasonable people like me (who have pretty much obeyed lockdown to the nth degree), despite not being vulnerable/ or having anyone in my house who is, will make a unilateral decision to stop obeying lockdown rules too. As will families who have had Covid and will thereby think well my anti bodies give me the same protection as the recently vaccinated.

Most of our lives have been decimated to protect the vulnerable and Fuck me, if those people now think they’re exempt from adhering to rules, then you know what? I too can start making my own decisions.

Everyone ok with that? Or think it’s hugely irresponsible?

[donewithitalltodayandxmas]

@Peanutquavers123 thats using as human gunea pigs though and as no guarantee of stopping spread it puts unvaccinated at risk still if people go out in the community

[ineedaholidaynow]

Problem is you will be throwing some of the most vulnerable under the bus if we find out the vaccines don’t work, if we get them mixing straight away.

I assume if many NHS workers and carers have been vaccinated we can see how the vaccine works with them in their normal working life (but sticking to the rules) as they have been high risk of catching it in the first place

[sassbott]

Doris may not have hugged her grandkids. Well I haven’t seen my siblings/ nieces/ nephews.
Suddenly just because they’ve been vaccinated they can?
Oh, ok then.

[Bluntness100]

@Pimlicojo

Part of the problem is that if vaccinated people are allowed to mix and do things differently there would be a percentage of the population (it's just a flu...) who would do the same. It would set us back weeks. And who could prove who had been vaccinated and who hasn't.

Of course it would. It is impossible to police. How do you know who the six million people are? People will be out and saying will if they can I can.

The government has no option but to keep the rules in place right now.

However thr macro is different from the micro, and I can see why if you’re all vaccinated you would be happy to socialise together, but not in wider society.

[Bluntness100]

@ineedaholidaynow

Problem is you will be throwing some of the most vulnerable under the bus if we find out the vaccines don’t work, if we get them mixing straight away.

I assume if many NHS workers and carers have been vaccinated we can see how the vaccine works with them in their normal working life (but sticking to the rules) as they have been high risk of catching it in the first place

The vaccines do work for goodness sake. It’s not an experiment.

[lovemirage]

Personally I am not bothered if vaccinated people meet each other. I would only get annoyed if pubs/shops/cinemas etc would open for vaccinated people only.

[ineedaholidaynow]

But we don’t yet know if you can or cannot transmit the virus once you have had the vaccine. My understanding is that you can’t with most vaccines so fingers crossed this will be the same

[donewithitalltodayandxmas]

People still don't get it , we can't introduce any kind if mixing untill all on the most vulnerable groups have been vaccinated and case numbers are down.
Then it will be a gradual reducing of the rules .
We will see some evidence if vaccinations work as many vaccinated still go to work.
But its way to early to see that yet z
For now people should just follow the bloody rules so we have a chance of having some restrictions lifted, he already said he won't look at things until mid feb , thats just look as by then they should know of vaccine has been given to enough of who they planned.

[donewithitalltodayandxmas]

@bluntness100 we don't know if they stop transmission yet though or stop the vast majority of people getting it , all se know for sure is people are less unwell .