Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

If her mum has had Covid maybe she just wants to see and be with her mum! The worst part for people is families who have not been able to be their for their loved ones in hospitals or care homes. It is somewhat inhuman. I don’t mind the lockdown too much because I can work from home and have a house, despite schooling the 4DC. But if a loved one were in hospital alone or I was in a job I wouldn’t be able to do because forbidden like hairdressing, I would be going crazy by now.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

Everyone has their breaking point , many will follow . Mostly these are not evil people, they are just human beings that have had enough of being isolated. I have found a big divide between people that are happy with lockdown , that live with their family and probably their normal lives tended to revolve around that anyway, and single people living alone that got all their social interactions from activities outside the home .

But EVERYONE has had enough, everyone. But people like her are part of the reason

@Backbee

I do think there is a time limit on compliance to not being able to see family etc, the government has had nearly a year of people's lives; forced many businesses into insolvency, families into poverty, peoples mental health in tatters, those who need healthcare for other reasons to be neglected and some die. They have had time, they have fucked up at nearly every point and it's a disgrace. I blame them more than Doris next door who misses her family.

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@FourDecades

Thing is...it's "ok" to break the rules and get a fine as that affects just you.... but are you lockdown breakers that selfish to not think of what happens if you end up seriously ill in hospital??

The nurses and doctors are at breaking point. Why should they be suffering just because you are all to bloody selfish to abide by the rules.

My colleagues and l can't go on for much longer. I sit in the carpark before each shift shaking with anxiety and feeling physically sick at what I'm about to face.

I have been pulled from my chosen area of nursing to work in Critical Care as the hospital has had to turn other areas into ITU as we are over run.

I am not trained to look after these patients - it takes years to be a competent ITU nurse - so l will do my absolute best but you won't get the care that you may need which means you may not recover as well as you should have.

I have a friend who works at a London ITU. She has been there years and currently they are nursing 4 patients to 1 nurse. It should be 1 to 1. She also said they are far sicker then she has ever experienced in her career.

But please, do break the rules as you're all so "sick" of being bored... you'll be a lot sicker if you end up in a hospital with inexperienced staff caring for you.

Sadly I don't think some people give a toss. Someone has said here they don't care if the NHS collapses as it's the government's fault not the people's (which is true to an extent, but a straw man argument here). People don't seem to realise what will happen if the NHS ceases to be able to function.

At a certain point, most people will snap. Even if they know lockdown is there to protect the NHS, at some point the pressure will become unbearable and they’ll say ‘no more’. People have breaking strain as much as ropes etc do. It’s just human nature.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

The most distressing thing about this whole nightmare has been finding out quite how many people are eager to condemn others to death because they consider their lives to be worthless. Speaking as someone whose extended family were murdered in the ghettos and death camps within living memory, it really is appalling to see quite how little it takes for people like you to declare that other people should die because you don't think their lives are 'worth it’ Cheap shot, but as you brought it up just because my relatives died in gas chambers (I’m Jewish too) doesn’t mean I have to accept countless restrictions and be grateful it’s not as bad. Many people would rather be dead than see everything they have gone because they can’t earn a living and their children’s mental health plummet. People die, old people die- get lost guilt tripping people!

This is when did we become so stupid that we run news stories talking about the uk's oldest twin dying of covid at 96

FFS, at that grand old age she's had a good innings, we can't all live forever, old people die!!!

It is aweful , but the countries with the strongest economies today are those who are controlling this virus most , and the more the virus is controlled, the quicker we can get back to normal

What has gone on is people being so impatient that we keep going backwards

Yes I think they've overcooked it tbh. If the message was more along the lines of how great the vaccine roll-out is going and to please all be careful just a little longer as it's the final push, people might feel happy, engaged and motivated to comply.

Yes but they need to give the information don't they. Not think about how to make us feel happy. And the information about the possibility of the Kent variant being more lethal, the South African variant having resistance to the vaccine and numbers not showing the clear fall we'd hoped for, is potentially very grim. We have the right to that information.

Also... why do people think it's the elderly in ITU? Most of the patients in my hospital are far from elderly.

At some point the govt are going to have to answer as to why they underfunded the nhs to such an extent it couldn’t cope

We’ve never exceeded icu capacity in the last 10 years in our hospital so having double the number of icu critical care beds plus staffing would have been an excessive waste of money like gritting the roads during a heat wave. You have grit stored but there comes a point V even that runs out. Currently there is full funding to access everything we need but with a large percentage of staff off sick or isolating it means we can’t pay for staff that don’t exist.

I think this thread should be reported. It's encouraging non-compliance with the law

I think we are nearing the precipice of lockdown fatigue. The government know they’ve got to get as many vaccines as possible into people before we go over the lockdown fatigue peak and people start to either do their own thing or riot (probably Easter ish).

I am beginning to think it might be preferable for me and DH to catch this and take our chances. After all, we will be so far down the priority list of getting a vaccine that we’re likely going to end up taking our chances anyway. Knowing our luck it’ll come up to our turn in the autumn, and either the virus will mutate so the vaccine doesn’t really work as well, or the government will decide it’s got to start again with the over 80’s so we’ll be shelved for another year.

Lots of putting strangers first and putting our family last, right at the back of the queue to exit. We can see that compliance isn’t really getting us out of this. It’s certainly not getting us out of this quicker. We are all just managing the NHS’s bed crisis for them.

@m0therofdragons

At some point the govt are going to have to answer as to why they underfunded the nhs to such an extent it couldn’t cope

We’ve never exceeded icu capacity in the last 10 years in our hospital so having double the number of icu critical care beds plus staffing would have been an excessive waste of money like gritting the roads during a heat wave. You have grit stored but there comes a point V even that runs out. Currently there is full funding to access everything we need but with a large percentage of staff off sick or isolating it means we can’t pay for staff that don’t exist.

Agree

I'll be meeting up with a friend and taking our kids for a walk, let them build dens and play in the woods. I can't believe I can meet up with said friend for a walk but we take our kids who are too young to leave alone and it's illegal. Fuck it. Kids need other kids. If they can't have school, they can sure as hell play outdoors with their friends.

Most people I know I think will follow till end of lock down however if it was then to step down into tier systems I think they will just see it as 'end of lockdown' and forget about the tier rules.

I mean, even if they accept that logically the measures the govt has put into place are the only way to protect the NHS and the elderly/CEV, at some point they’ll think, “Fuck it, I want to see my family/friends. I’ve had enough.” That point will vary between people obviously. But most people will reach that point eventually.

@FourDecades

Also... why do people think it's the elderly in ITU? Most of the patients in my hospital are far from elderly.

Because it fits their narrative that is only the old who are affected , because they areunable to face up to what is really happening

What is happening to people who have small businesses? Is there gov support still ?

Surely people who are planning to meet up with friends are just prolonging the agony. Great you have had some social interaction but with people doing that rates will still rise and lockdown will continue, hospitals will be in a mess, schools not fully open, businesses still shut. Yes it is crap, but pandemics are.

the government has had nearly a year of people's lives

That's like a mardy teenager blaming their parents for a hangover. Globally, the virus has had a year of people's lives. The government hasn't had anything. Children in China aren't going to school either. This is not a case of the government having something they have always wanted to get their hands on!

@midgebabe

It is aweful , but the countries with the strongest economies today are those who are controlling this virus most , and the more the virus is controlled, the quicker we can get back to normal

What has gone on is people being so impatient that we keep going backwards

Are they? I thought the uk had a reasonably strong economy globally but we’re certainly not succeeding in controlling the virus.

@trulydelicious

I think this thread should be reported. It's encouraging non-compliance with the law

Law doesn't make sense though does it.

@Bagelsandbrie

I have found that the people who’ve had relatives or friends who’ve had Covid and recovered are actually the worst for this. Which is ironic as like you say if there wasn’t the NHS capacity to treat those people they would have died. But unfortunately people seem to take them recovering as a sign that everyone is over reacting. It’s so selfish.

Or because they’ve had it and are (nearly completely) likely to be immune they may as well visit them?

This type of thing will definitely be a issue I think

We suppressed this virus hugely last spring but govt just haven't done enough to stop us ending up in a full national lockdown again imo and now all we hear is that going for a coffee can cost lives ffs but what about there failings ?

@MaxNormal

I agree if the new strains are resistant to vaccine etc and lockdown does not work I think personally we should have a coalition government for a time of crisis and possibly a vote on what the nation does next .

Every decision that’s been made so far about lockdown , businesses and schools has probably been about 50/50 of the population agreeing or disagreeing.

But going forward we may have to accept that care may have to be limited and if you get the virus there is a good chance 1/2% you will die. Unless better treatments happen as well ( which are in the pipeline )

The country simply can’t afford to go on at it is but I would point out that businesses may have a lot of their staff off at anyone time as the virus spreads . So it still won’t be life back to normal .