Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

Makes me laugh people saying they aren’t going to do lockdown anymore - that’s fine don’t! But what can they do anyway if everything is closed, they can’t travel, theres no entertainment / events on 😂😂

More people that break this lockdown the longer life will be like this! So good luck to your friend - what’s she gonna do - go to a few peoples houses for a cup of tea? Cus that’s about the extent of what she can do - sounds wild

If you don't want to sacrifice your child's future then go beyond what is asked of you. Get the rates down quickly. Then we can open up a bit as we did last summer, and then as vaccinations take hold, we can relax more

Pretending that you can go back to normal without controlling the virus is sad. It will prolong the misery, things won't open up if rates are high however much you whine and wail.

Go to Brazil if you want to live unrestricted lives.

'Everyone has their breaking point , many will follow . Mostly these are not evil people, they are just human beings that have had enough of being isolated.'

We have all had enough. It isn't for the fun if it, with schools and pubs shut and (supposedly) no mixing we are having massive daily positive cases, hospital admissions, ICU cases and thousands of deaths. Why on earth can't you see if everyone thought 'fuck it' just how much higher these tragic numbers would be?

You're right though, not evil people per se, just incredibly self absorbed and possibly not very bright.

Thing is...it's "ok" to break the rules and get a fine as that affects just you.... but are you lockdown breakers that selfish to not think of what happens if you end up seriously ill in hospital??

The nurses and doctors are at breaking point. Why should they be suffering just because you are all to bloody selfish to abide by the rules.

My colleagues and l can't go on for much longer. I sit in the carpark before each shift shaking with anxiety and feeling physically sick at what I'm about to face.

I have been pulled from my chosen area of nursing to work in Critical Care as the hospital has had to turn other areas into ITU as we are over run.

I am not trained to look after these patients - it takes years to be a competent ITU nurse - so l will do my absolute best but you won't get the care that you may need which means you may not recover as well as you should have.

I have a friend who works at a London ITU. She has been there years and currently they are nursing 4 patients to 1 nurse. It should be 1 to 1. She also said they are far sicker then she has ever experienced in her career.

But please, do break the rules as you're all so "sick" of being bored... you'll be a lot sicker if you end up in a hospital with inexperienced staff caring for you.

@Lifeispassingby

People who say ‘I’m sick of it’ ‘I miss pubs’ ‘I want my kids back to school’ confuse me as they imply these are reasons to break lockdown without realising that breaking lockdown gives you some freedoms back but prolongs the other freedoms returning?

No one said that ... I want to hug my parents after not being able to do for a year like everyone

@TinyTinaTriesAgain

MIL is late 60's so hoping she will get her appointment soon.

It's mid March earliest for the over 65s.

I guess we must look at different sources because every article I have read suggests group 5 vaccinations will start end of Feb which makes sense if they are aiming for mid Feb for groups 1-4.

Maybe it will be mid March before she gets hers but to suggest they won't reach group 5 before mid March isn't correct based on current progress.

@Heyahun

Makes me laugh people saying they aren’t going to do lockdown anymore - that’s fine don’t! But what can they do anyway if everything is closed, they can’t travel, theres no entertainment / events on 😂😂

More people that break this lockdown the longer life will be like this! So good luck to your friend - what’s she gonna do - go to a few peoples houses for a cup of tea? Cus that’s about the extent of what she can do - sounds wild

Are you for real? People can mix households, do non-essential journeys, not wear masks that do fuck all.

But what’s the alternative? To lockdown?
There’s no way out.

'If you don't want to sacrifice your child's future then go beyond what is asked of you. Get the rates down quickly. Then we can open up a bit as we did last summer, and then as vaccinations take hold, we can relax more'

This!

'have a friend who works at a London ITU. She has been there years and currently they are nursing 4 patients to 1 nurse. It should be 1 to 1. She also said they are far sicker then she has ever experienced in her career.'

Ah but it's only old people who die, these huuuuge numbers in ICU go whooshing over some peoplee heads, because there want a hug y'see. Like everyone does but many can see we're in a crisis and if we all puller together we'd have a better chance of getting out of it.

I feel I am approaching my limit too. I've followed all the rules for since the beginning and am incredibly careful. But I am plummeting into depression and not sure I can do it for much longer.

Also, if everyone IS staying at home, wearing masks when out etc, where are people actually catching it from? Why are more and more people catching it if we are in lockdown? I've shopped every single day more or less as I shop for 3 other households as a volunteer. I've not caught it! I'm finding myself starting to be weirdly judgmental about people catching it and hate myself for that.

@NancyDrew1966

I think those intending to give in and start visiting friends etc need to witness a covid ward or ICU and get a dose of reality, see for their own eyes what a shit show it really is for staff and patients. Most of my colleagues are close to breaking point with this 3rd wave, we've been in tier 3 for months unlike alot of the country. I'm sure another wave of infections in a few months will be welcomed.

That's like saying that those who condem others to death for breaking any rules should witness someone on the brink of suicide because they don't feel their life is worth living anymore!

If the infection rate is not driven down over the next few weeks the vaccination programme will fail. The virus will continue to spread and mutate and we’ll be still in this situation next winter. Similar advice was given to the government in September, which they chose to ignore, and look where we are now.

It’s not just an issue of Covid deaths - it’s the inability of the health services and other critical services to function properly if at all that should concern the people who have decided to ignore lockdown. If you need an ambulance now for a real non-Covid emergency you may not get one soon enough. If you need cancer surgery you may not get it soon enough. If Covid cases increase again this will only get worse.

The government’s handling of this has been shambolic from start to finish. They have ignored the science and lied to the public. They have prioritised their rich mates over individuals who can’t afford to self isolate and have driven us into this appalling mess. Their policies are incoherent and cruel. Their messaging woefully inadequate.

And they have managed to drive a wedge between those of us who are “pro-lockdown” (we hate social distancing but we know it’s our only way out) and those of us who are well past the end of our tether and really suffering.

Well done Government.

Having one dose of the vaccine isn’t sufficient so over 65s may get first dose end of Feb/mid March, it will still be quite a few weeks before they get their second dose

Exactly @WiseUpJanetWeiss
There’s no alternative.

@ineedaholidaynow

Having one dose of the vaccine isn’t sufficient so over 65s may get first dose end of Feb/mid March, it will still be quite a few weeks before they get their second dose

Yep, completely understand that. I just don't think it's right to spread misinformation about when the first vaccine is likely to happen for over 65's based on current progress.

'Also, if everyone IS staying at home, wearing masks when out etc, where are people actually catching it from? '

As demonstrated on mn many aren't staying at home. There was a thread yesterday of people proud of their selfish 'I'm seeing all me family and pals' behaviour. Some indeed seem very pleased that they can't or won't follow rules and couldn't care less about health advice. Lots of backslapping.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'So many selfish whiners. I'm not having a ball during this pandemic either, my mental health is shot to pieces, but I'm just getting on with it. The other option is that it drags on far longer.'

Indeed.

Op she's probably doing it already. So many threads on mn of entitled people doing exactly what they want. The thing is they want validation now, they want encouragement and others saying 'yayyy me too! fuck the government!'.

I have so many friends and family working in the nhs sickened by what a weak and self centred nation we seem to have become. You only had to watch the news conference yesterday to see what an utterly precarious position we're in but nope some can't hack it anymore despite all the exemptions with bubbles, end of life provision etc. We can only hope mn does not represent the majority. Although going by the numbers it seems there are so many out there doing exactly what they like.

Oh please have you see. Italy and Poland who have had enough too !

*At some point the govt are going to have to answer as to why they underfunded the nhs to such an extent it couldn’t cope

The state of your flood defences isn't ever going to be the key question when you're hit by a tsunami.

Well put.

Tens of thousands dying from covid or a few hundred committing suicide....even if suicide rates double, which is higher than the upper limit current estimated by as possible , covid deaths far exceed that

Life is aweful now. But it won't be forever.

I’m totally law abiding and following all the rules plus work in a hospital but I said to dh last night that I’m not there yet but there comes a point when people will start saying no, we won’t stay away from our family and friends any more. My children haven’t been able to see their grandparents (not local so couldn’t do garden meet ups) and my nephew will be at least 2 years older when I next see him (he’s in North America and my brother’s family can’t come here or us there). Family and friends are everything yet we can’t see or hug them. Once it gets to a year I think we may have civil unrest. They say the vaccine is the way out but if you have the vaccine you have to behave like you haven’t so I’m losing faith in that. The only thing that keeps me following the rules is the fact I get our hospital’s daily figures and see how bad it is. My parents could get covid and die having not seen their grandchildren for a year.

Luckily civil unrest on a large scale is highly unlikely because most people , the vast majority, are just quietly getting on with it

I’ve had enough now- the press conference yesterday has pushed me to think fuck it, we are never getting out of this and it’s no way to live.

Yes I think they've overcooked it tbh. If the message was more along the lines of how great the vaccine roll-out is going and to please all be careful just a little longer as it's the final push, people might feel happy, engaged and motivated to comply.

Instead it's just this never-ending gloom and misery and yes people will think fuck it, what's the actual point of complying when it's just never ending. We got told before to just comply in order to bring and end to it and that clearly never happened

You can't just expect an entire population to keep on making sacrifices in the face of absolute hopelessness.

People have given up a year or their lives, and are starting to break mentally and are called selfish for saying they can't do it anymore. Aye OK then. Jesus christ listen to you people!

@Heyahun I'm going to have friends over for drinks in March, and I cant bloody wait. So that's how I'm going to break lockdown when I've given it a year. I've literally nothing else to look forward to at the moment so it's keeping me going.

If we did not have lockdown and deaths continued at 1-2000 a day , 365000 to 730000 deaths in a year , how on earth could the government have prepared the nhs for that ? Pay trained nurses all year just in case they are needed ?

At the moment I can’t see any government that is coping with their health systems . Even Germany had a 1000 death per day recently and the only reason they did not earlier was they had even stricter lockdowns that people adhered to . Which seems to be what people are arguing against .

So say the nhs was better funded had spare staff ( you do know 100000 are off sick or isolating) everyone is suggesting we just carry on spread the virus and let people end up in hospital and then a lot will die anyway ? And we just live with that ?

And the increased stress of dealing with death everyday on the doctors and nurses ? Does not seem very fair to me .

@Forgetmenot157 I think your logic has gone missing there in your post.

What the rule breakers need is a dose of reality.

Everyone who breaks the rule risks causing the death of someone else. Either through infecting them with Covid ( 1 in 3 people with it have no symptoms) and by putting more people in hospital, so the people with cancer can't get an operation and will die.

I am horrified at the sheer entitlement shown here and selfishness.
Not to mention the ignorance .

This new variant it far more tranmissible than the first .
Deaths are higher than ever.
Drs are on their knees.

But posters come along and bleat they can't cope.

Sorry but try telling that to the bereaved or those fighting for their lives on ventilators.

There is no need for anyone to be lonely. Single people can have a support bubble.