Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

There's a very large difference between having had enough of all this and feeling depressed, and googling how many x tablets will kill you and counting what you've got in the house.

The former I did last spring and the latter I did yesterday.

For the "we should all lockdown for another 6 months and stop whining" brigade, I am glad you have the mental, financial or social resources to get you through this but your petty sniping at those who don't shows a deep lack of empathy or appreciation of your own good fortune.

We can't fix the government failings. We can prevent this situation getting worse.

If they can't have school, they can sure as hell play outdoors with their friends.

And there we have the creation of a transmission link. There will be millions of others formed unnecessarily today and together they will form Covid numbers that will keep our hospitals packed and schools and businesses closed for longer.

@trulydelicious

I think this thread should be reported. It's encouraging non-compliance with the law

Report it then, you can report any thread you want

@midgebabe

It is aweful , but the countries with the strongest economies today are those who are controlling this virus most , and the more the virus is controlled, the quicker we can get back to normal

What has gone on is people being so impatient that we keep going backwards

This is crazy. A year on is not impatience.

We got numbers very low after first peak. Just as other countries did. In fact better as we started from higher case number.

People are fatigued as suggested they would be. Tg there are people with some understanding of public behaviour.

@lunapeace

Law doesn't make sense though does it

The OP has opened several threads trying to stir up trouble and encourage unlawful activities

I'm surprised that @MNHQ have not deleted the thread yet

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

Everyone has their breaking point , many will follow . Mostly these are not evil people, they are just human beings that have had enough of being isolated. I have found a big divide between people that are happy with lockdown , that live with their family and probably their normal lives tended to revolve around that anyway, and single people living alone that got all their social interactions from activities outside the home .

I have had enough of isolation but im still sticking to rules. I have really struggled with the lack of interaction from friends. Ive got 2 small children to keep entertained one with speical needs but im just getting on with it. I dont think thats a good enough reason. I think its a level of selfishness to just ignore rules.

your petty sniping at those who don't shows a deep lack of empathy or appreciation of your own good fortune.

Mumsnet is not the place for you to be. Have you called your GP and requested an urgent referral to the crisis team?

Why is your mental health more important than that of the hospital staff who have asked people to just stay at home to help them

Maybe ring 101

Tory Governments are so good sowing division. Getting us to blame each other for the fact that a)it's a virus, it's what they do and b)their own cockups and lack of foresight. A year of this crap...I'm seeing my family. Discreetly, sensibly, no mass gatherings. But my parents, my sister and her daughter and my brother and his family...we all live within a mile of each other. Share childcare, before this we had tea together every single Tuesday. The cousins were best friends. We chose to live that way because we love each other. It's inhumane to break those bonds. And no, a zoom call doesnt cut it. Everyone I know is doing their best but breaking the rules in one way or another...at this stage it's too much to ask.

Many people will.

Especially after Boris' 'performance' at the last press conference and the scare-mongering.

People are starting to feel that the government does not have a clue, or a plan or any idea of what is going on. So why listen to them any further?

At this stage there is lockdown fatigue and either the vaccine roll out is successful or we have to accept the virus is here to stay and get on with things.

I am giving them until March, then I will also start ignoring the rules.

Repeat lockdowns with no strategy and no progress is pointless.

@lousytypist

There's a very large difference between having had enough of all this and feeling depressed, and googling how many x tablets will kill you and counting what you've got in the house.

The former I did last spring and the latter I did yesterday.

For the "we should all lockdown for another 6 months and stop whining" brigade, I am glad you have the mental, financial or social resources to get you through this but your petty sniping at those who don't shows a deep lack of empathy or appreciation of your own good fortune.

Lousy typist, please don't be bullied into thinking you shouldn't do what best for you, go and see people, go for long walks in places a drive away, but don't let this lockdown be the end of you x

@Redrivershore

Maybe ring 101

that was to trulydelicious

To all those who are thinking about mixing or are mixing: the more the virus spreads the more likely it is to mutate again. You could be contributing to this happening:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/23/covid-mutating-eliminate-virus-eradicate-variants

Do you think the people who’ve had enough watch the government briefings or the News? Do you think they have seen the images of hospitals and the interviews with hospital staff about what it’s like?

I wonder if a big chunk of the population never really watch any of this stuff and just do t know what it’s like in their local area or nationally. They might look at social media but don’t have much of the bigger picture. I wonder if they only see their own situation....and that’s not to belittle their individual issues regarding finances, mental health and loneliness at all....I know there are lots of personal disasters out there that are awful. But I do think some people, just don’t know what the bigger picture is.

Some people still claim they do t understand the rules and they are too complicated. They seem to be unable to access a website which gives pure, simple factual information about the rules, or perhaps don’t want to know. The message I esssnetially hear from some people is ‘it’s really hard and I don’t want to do it so I’m not going to do it’ ....whereas most people seem to say ‘it’s really hard and I do t want to do it, but I just have to carry on’

I do hope that in reality, when people say they won’t stick to the rules anymore, in actual fact they will or broadly will. As others say, they can’t go out for a meal or to the pub...so do they mean they will go and visit people in houses and not wear a mask? Some people like to object to the rules (of all types and not just Covid) and there is a chunk of the population who object to any rulings from government about anything and don’t want to comply with anything....government knows that and factors these people into their decisions and assessment of outcomes.

Things are hard. Some people have faced so much they are truly at breaking point because the pressures have been immense. Others have had some difficulties which they don’t like and seemingly very little resilience or willingness to push through and say they are at breaking point, but really it’s about just not liking it all. I think we all have immense sympathy with the first group and far less with the second group. And I know it’s difficult to say who is in which group, but there are certainly people in both.

@FourDecades

Thing is...it's "ok" to break the rules and get a fine as that affects just you.... but are you lockdown breakers that selfish to not think of what happens if you end up seriously ill in hospital??

The nurses and doctors are at breaking point. Why should they be suffering just because you are all to bloody selfish to abide by the rules.

My colleagues and l can't go on for much longer. I sit in the carpark before each shift shaking with anxiety and feeling physically sick at what I'm about to face.

I have been pulled from my chosen area of nursing to work in Critical Care as the hospital has had to turn other areas into ITU as we are over run.

I am not trained to look after these patients - it takes years to be a competent ITU nurse - so l will do my absolute best but you won't get the care that you may need which means you may not recover as well as you should have.

I have a friend who works at a London ITU. She has been there years and currently they are nursing 4 patients to 1 nurse. It should be 1 to 1. She also said they are far sicker then she has ever experienced in her career.

But please, do break the rules as you're all so "sick" of being bored... you'll be a lot sicker if you end up in a hospital with inexperienced staff caring for you.

People think that won't happen to them. And statistically, they're almost certain to be right.

But going forward we may have to accept that care may have to be limited and if you get the virus there is a good chance 1/2% you will die.

Like in Italy? Suffocating in front of their HCPs or in camp beds on their own. Will you be funding treatments for PTSD and watching your parents gasp in this eventuality, or will you be turning up at A and E?

Shame on you.

The stark reality is those at breaking point will break themselves even more by only prolonging restrictions further with any kind of rebellion. I feel for your friend OP, she’s clearly not in a good place but so are many others who aren’t being selfish.

She’s your friend and you’ll want to help her no doubt, but sometimes there comes a point when you have to let them make their own mistakes and deal with the consequences.

I didn't see the press conference last night as was working, only seen the 'highlights' on TV this morning. The message seemed to be, cases are falling slowly, but case rate is still high, so measures need to remain in place to get the case rate right down again.
Bad news is new variant is more transmissable and potentially has a higher mortality rate.
Good news is over 5 million people have been vaccinated.

Did I miss anything ?

I feel that saying 'thats it' at this point in time , will be a case of cutting your nose off to spite your face, if you want things back to some semblence of normality, the case rate needs to be really low again, if your friend and lots of other people, start ignoring all the lock down measures then it won't happen as quickly and so the measures will be in place for longer. Which means we all have to suffer them for longer.

So from an entirely selfish point of view, I hope your friend and others like her reconsider doing this right now, because I want to get out of lockdown as soon as possible.

[quote tinselearedcow]To all those who are thinking about mixing or are mixing: the more the virus spreads the more likely it is to mutate again. You could be contributing to this happening:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/23/covid-mutating-eliminate-virus-eradicate-variants[/quote]
Oh ok, then let's stay home forever

They said last night what we knew all along, well those of us with half a brain cell

It's here to stay

Time to start living with it not locking us away

Oh don't be silly @hexonthebeach no-one has said stay at home forever. Just stay at home as much as you can for a little while longer.

@TinyTinaTriesAgain

They've snatched a year of our lives. They're not having more

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@Mizzler I could say the same about YOU.

They are the population. Every single person who breaks a rule and mixes is increasing the rate of transmission or giving it a chance to spread.

People who break the rules are the ones snatching people's lives.

The rules are there, and will stop the spread if people follow them.

Yes, some were too little and too late, but that doesn't mean we all ignore the rules there are.

Sorry to disappoint you, but they won't. It's a virus. It doesn't give a fuck if people are following the rules. You cannot stop it. Hospitals for example, totally legal, probably the most dangerous place to be.

@tinselearedcow

Oh don't be silly *@hexonthebeach* no-one has said stay at home forever. Just stay at home as much as you can for a little while longer.

Done as much as I can, 11 months stuck in my spare room working full time, 16 hour days with two kids underfoot and no partner to help as he's out at work breaking his back as a KW

We cannot sustain this, that much is clear