Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

Does anyone feel that they are using the new strains etc to try and buy more time to get other vaccinated... As much as its not ideal 10/1000 to 13/1000 (where they can't even be sure of the data yet) is definitely not Reason to panic. Yet I feel they need to scare us some more to keep compliance for a few more months while the vaccine is rolled out.

Plenty of people were sticking to the rules at Christmas and during EOTHO.

I really don't think they were. Loads of traffic on the roads X'mas day, where were they going? Friends telling me who they were going to see on the day, not in bubbles. A huge spike in Covid cases after Xmas.

If people are mainly staying at home/working from home, how are they catching Covid? It can't all be Amazon deliveries.

A close family friend has tested postive a second time, very ill this time

The government have taken a lot of flack over this, but if the PM is telling people to stay home and they won't, what the fuck can you do?

Problem is, the government are only half saying it.

They’re saying stay at home, but go to work if you need to.
They say isolate if we tell you to, but we won’t pay for your lost wages, you have to take the hit whether or not you can afford it.
They’re telling us to stay in, but they’ve allowed big chain coffee shops to stay open, so obviously people will use them.
They want schools closed because they’ve finally admitted the obvious that schools increase transmission, but even closed there’s no limit to how many people are in them and they encouraged to offer places.

That’s just a few of their contradictions, there are others. You really can’t blame the public for not continuing to make the huge sacrifices asked of them when they are given so many mixed messages.

Public opinion is massively turning

Just look at the comments on BJ latest insta post

If money had been thrown at the NHS to cope perfectly in a pandemic, surely there would have been less money available for other treatments as money would have been put in the just in case pandemic pot and couldn’t be used for cancer treatments etc.

Loads of traffic on the roads X'mas day, where were they going. Christmas Day was the only day families could mix, 3 households iirc in tiers 2 and 3, so that would explain the traffic, all legal.

@Forgetmenot157

Does anyone feel that they are using the new strains etc to try and buy more time to get other vaccinated... As much as its not ideal 10/1000 to 13/1000 (where they can't even be sure of the data yet) is definitely not Reason to panic. Yet I feel they need to scare us some more to keep compliance for a few more months while the vaccine is rolled out.

Yes - Project Fear!

There is such a split between people who are doing ok,at home on full pay in safe jobs ,saving money on commuting and people who have lost their jobs and businesses
Most people I know who are shouting the loudest about following the Roolz are in the former camp

The most distressing thing about this whole nightmare has been finding out quite how many people are eager to condemn others to death because they consider their lives to be worthless.

This.

Everyone has their breaking point , many will follow . Mostly these are not evil people, they are just human beings that have had enough of being isolated.

I totally agree with this. I am following the rules (it being possible to be both following yourself and recognise that others may be struggling to do so) - but can also see the sheer devastation they are causing and underdstand how, for some, that devastation is more than they can bear alone.

Let her get on with it.
Lockdown 1 worked so well 🙄
Summer beaches, blm etc.... 2nd wave never came
Funny how the mutant strain was announced right before Christmas. Pathetic way of justifying tier 4 Christmas 🙄
Why lockdown pubs? My pubs were fab. Screens. Sanitiser. Table service only. One way. I felt safe.
I think they're trying to eradicate British culture if the virus does not. Most restricted restaurants cafés pubs that cannot provide takeout are British. Poo poo if you wish. You will see, sadly.
Sacrificing our kids education for a jobless, homeless and NHS less future is not worth this. It's disgraceful.

'It makes me laugh when people say ‘I saw school kids together so thought if they can I can’ how stupid do you have to be to think this makes it ok?'

Yes there's a weird mentality of some thinking 'if others flout so will I!'.

I do think its an intelligence issue.

I will say it again to flouters, we are all sick of this. What tf makes you so special you think you can do what you like.

'Does anyone feel that they are using the new strains etc to try and buy more time to get other vaccinated... As much as its not ideal 10/1000 to 13/1000 (where they can't even be sure of the data yet)'

No. Its called transparency, if a lab had leaked the possible higher death rate the msm would have been all over it with hysterical headlines saying it was being kept secret.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

Cheap shot, but as you brought it up just because my relatives died in gas chambers (I’m Jewish too) doesn’t mean I have to accept countless restrictions and be grateful it’s not as bad.

You literally said that the lives of elderly and vulnerable people are 'not worth' saving.

Pointing out how closely that conforms to Nazi ideology is not a 'cheap shot'.

It's sad and frightening that you have learned nothing from history, especially if you apparently suffered personally. I visited the field near Warsaw where my great grandparents were shot with 3000 others because people had decided their lives were worthless.

I think those intending to give in and start visiting friends etc need to witness a covid ward or ICU and get a dose of reality, see for their own eyes what a shit show it really is for staff and patients. Most of my colleagues are close to breaking point with this 3rd wave, we've been in tier 3 for months unlike alot of the country. I'm sure another wave of infections in a few months will be welcomed.

@Dontforgetyourbrolly

Everyone has their breaking point , many will follow . Mostly these are not evil people, they are just human beings that have had enough of being isolated. I have found a big divide between people that are happy with lockdown , that live with their family and probably their normal lives tended to revolve around that anyway, and single people living alone that got all their social interactions from activities outside the home .

This ... people are losing money and desperate .. after my friend killing him self I think the same but I will stick to the rules but I understand why people are thinking that even my paramedic mate has had enough

@TinyTinaTriesAgain

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Older people who are single can have a support bubble, as can anyone.

There is no one who has to be alone. The rules allow for mixing of single people.

People who break the rules are just selfish.

Single people can bubble if there's another household who will/can take them. A household can only bubble with one person. So if a couple/family has a parent and a PIL each living alone, only one of those DPs can bubble with them. The other is alone.

If you don't have family at all, or nearby, the chances of bubbling with any friends is slim. The friends will probably have family members they need to bubble with.

It's ridiculous to say that no-one has to be alone. Many many are, and there is no solution to that. Have some sympathy at least.

@Forgetmenot157

Does anyone feel that they are using the new strains etc to try and buy more time to get other vaccinated... As much as its not ideal 10/1000 to 13/1000 (where they can't even be sure of the data yet) is definitely not Reason to panic. Yet I feel they need to scare us some more to keep compliance for a few more months while the vaccine is rolled out.

I have followed the rules and will continue to do so, even though it is very hard. I don't want to contribute to the NHS going under which would mean people dying from all sorts of things not just the virus. There would be carnage.

But I agree with you Forget. I felt almost panicky after last night's conference. I think it was deliberately designed to try to scare those who aren't complying into complying (waste of time IMHO) and those that are into continuing. I really resent them for doing that.

@ComDummings

Also the NHS collapsing is bollocks to me. If it does become overwhelmed whose fault is that really? The government. They’ve been cutting services to the bone for years and now it’s on the brink of collapse because of that. So I can’t blame individuals who are reaching the end of their tether.

100% agree

@user1487194234

There is such a split between people who are doing ok,at home on full pay in safe jobs ,saving money on commuting and people who have lost their jobs and businesses Most people I know who are shouting the loudest about following the Roolz are in the former camp

I agree (yet I am in the former camp myself)

@Sillyduckseverywhere

I broke and now see my DP whenever I feel like it, including staying over. I followed it to the letter last year, but the bullshit that occurred over the summer, and the fact that every day I drive past a secondary school where kids are hugging and pissing about made me decide I wasn't living that way any more. I work, I stay at home, I see him. That's it. I will not live my life alone. The people calling me selfish generally have a family. Yes, I get it, it's tough juggling homeschooling and wfh, but guess what? Crushing loneliness is tough too. It's not a competition.

Sillyduckseverywhere - your post indicates that you live alone, i.e "I will not live my life alone". If so, you're allowed to be in a bubble with another household. (I hate using the word "allowed", as if we're all children, and I hate the restrictions too). So you're not breaking rules seeing your DP!

I have huge sympathy for people with genuine mental health problems and I hope that the rules allow them to have some degree of support. But blaming mental health when you are essentially fine just fed up with the situation is not acceptable. The way I see it is that some people are too selfish (or stupid) to comply and they want to put their own needs first. This just makes it harder for us all and drags things out for longer.

Many people are suffering. No government wants to put this level of restriction on society and ruin the economy. But it needs to be done so that we can have hope of normality returning. It won't return if people don't comply and we get a third wave.

It doesn't matter whether you think it has been badly handled or if the NHS was underfunded because that won't change things now. But it does matter that we all comply and get the levels of infection down.

So please just do the right thing and encourage and support those around you to do the right thing.

@user1487194234

There is such a split between people who are doing ok,at home on full pay in safe jobs ,saving money on commuting and people who have lost their jobs and businesses Most people I know who are shouting the loudest about following the Roolz are in the former camp

Absolutely! Or are SAHM's with DH's in 'safe' jobs, or they've paid off their mortgages, kids are older and can homeschool themselves, big garden etc. But as sure as night follows day they'll be moaning next year about their household income being hit next year because of massive tax hikes.

*Yes there's a weird mentality of some thinking 'if others flout so will I!'.

I do think its an intelligence issue.*

No, it's a biological instinct to do with the way humans perceive risk - which is often not logical but also not under conscious control (www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/the-psychology-of-risk-perception)

Calling them thick won't change that.

@Redrivershore

Loads of traffic on the roads X'mas day, where were they going. Christmas Day was the only day families could mix, 3 households iirc in tiers 2 and 3, so that would explain the traffic, all legal.

Yes it was legal, but did that mean it was wise? Covid didn't have the day off.

I might be coming across as a bit heartless, and I appreciate the last year and into this one has been really difficult for a lot of people, but I just want an end (or significant reduction) to this nightmare.

For that to happen, people need to follow the rules, and a significant amount just don't.

It's unbelievably frustrating.