Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

[IceCreamAndCandyfloss]

@Jangle33

FFS I couldn’t be friends with her after that. As a nurse she should know better.

Me neither.

I’ve let a few friendships go for not following the rules as I didn’t realise before how selfish they were.

[SoupDragon]

@IndecentFeminist

Even the elderly and vulnerable have only a small.chance of dying from covid, even if she did pass it to them.

Oh, well that's OK then. 🙄

FFS.

[SoupDragon]

So many selfish whiners.

I'm not having a ball during this pandemic either, my mental health is shot to pieces, but I'm just getting on with it. The other option is that it drags on far longer.

[IdblowJonSnow]

I've had enough too. The briefing yesterday was so awful, Boris could hardly be arsed to ask any questions. Senior doctors have said this morning (it's reported on bbc) that Pfizer jabs should be given 3 weeks apart max, so my Hope's on vaccinations are decreasing now. The govt have fucked this up SO monumentally.
I can't say I'll be breaking the rules loads though - how can we when there's nowhere to go!
The last year just seems like an unending nightmare I want to wake up from.

[IdblowJonSnow]

Sorry, answer, not ask re Boris.

[MrsBennettsSecretSon]

@SoupDragon calling people with anxiety, panic attacks and depression “selfish whiners” is unkind and cruel

When did your empathy evaporate like this? Why kick people when they are down?

Does it make you feel better to be unkind?

[Signalbox]

Covid is going to be with us for years. Whilst this was fairly obvious from the start it seems like the reality is only just starting to dawn on people and they are realising that they are not prepared to give up their freedoms indefinitely. Once everyone vulnerable has been vaccinated this should be the end point but they are now saying this may not be the end of measures.

[Itstheprinciple]

I get it. I'm nearly at breaking point, but more for my DD than me. If the risks were just personal ones, I'd have taken them long ago. It's only the worry of passing it on to someone vulnerable that has made me stick to the rules. We're 'lucky' to have my mum in our bubble but my DD is desperate to see her friends and boyfriend without freezing. It doesn't help that friend and boyfriend have both been having people into their family houses so don't really understand why we are being so strict.

[Mizzler]

Honestly, I'm reaching the end of my tether now too. If I have to pay a fine to see family, so be it.

I went through a miscarriage last year and had to do it totally on my own because my DH wasn't allowed in the building. I haven't had a single hug from family or friends in almost a year now.

We're going to meet up as a family at Easter. We're going to stay at my mum and dad's because they live far away, and we're going to hug. Dd isn't in school at the moment and we are both wfh and homeschooling so I don't see it as a massive risk to my mum and dad anyway.

I'm done. They've snatched a year of our lives. They're not having more.

[GoldGreen]

Lockdown fatigue has always been a serious concern for behavioural scientists. At the moment as hospitalisation and deaths are high there is still enough concern for most people to comply. The difficulty is the government also can’t give us a definite end point (a lot of people again will comply as long as they know it will be over a certain period of months - humans crave certainty).

Wait till March: vulnerable people vaccinated, hospitalisation, deaths and cases down and more and more people will be “bending the rules”.

[TinyTinaTriesAgain]

But the thing is we've been told for almost a year now if we follow the rules then we'll be out of this mess quicker. But that doesn't seem to be the case - Boris intimated just last week that these restrictions could go on until the summer. People are fed up of this government's incompetence and lies so I don't blame people for having enough.

@CeibaTree Has the idea that people NOT following the rules being the reason not come into your head?

I usually keep of this part of MN as it annoys the hell out of me.

I am totally sick of posters saying they ARE breaking the rules (as shown here today) OR they are going to, OR they know people who are.

Then folks like you come along and ask why lockdown isn't working.

It's not working because too many selfish people are ignoring the rules.

I don't care if those people who break the rules die.

I do care about people like me who have followed the rules to the letter and who have elderly parents who I can't see, and won't see in case I am asymptomatic and they die because of my actions.

I do care about people dying from cancer because they can't get operations as the drs are looking after people with Covid or there are now beds.

I do despair that people can't dig dep enough into their own emotional resources to stick to the rules and protect the rest of society.

[Itstheprinciple]

@Signalbox

Covid is going to be with us for years. Whilst this was fairly obvious from the start it seems like the reality is only just starting to dawn on people and they are realising that they are not prepared to give up their freedoms indefinitely. Once everyone vulnerable has been vaccinated this should be the end point but they are now saying this may not be the end of measures.

Once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated, the measures should start to be lifted. We have to learn to live with a certain mortality from coronavirus as we do with flu etc.

[Jetatyeovilaerodrome]

I think if the weather was a bit warmer, there would be a lot more sitting in gardens going on right now.

[MarshaBradyo]

@GoldGreen

Lockdown fatigue has always been a serious concern for behavioural scientists. At the moment as hospitalisation and deaths are high there is still enough concern for most people to comply. The difficulty is the government also can’t give us a definite end point (a lot of people again will comply as long as they know it will be over a certain period of months - humans crave certainty).

Wait till March: vulnerable people vaccinated, hospitalisation, deaths and cases down and more and more people will be “bending the rules”.

We have lasted a long time. Summer was a reprieve but when it starts to become - it’s been a year. High numbers so get us to comply I agree with all this.

[TinyTinaTriesAgain]

@Mizzler

Honestly, I'm reaching the end of my tether now too. If I have to pay a fine to see family, so be it.

I went through a miscarriage last year and had to do it totally on my own because my DH wasn't allowed in the building. I haven't had a single hug from family or friends in almost a year now.

We're going to meet up as a family at Easter. We're going to stay at my mum and dad's because they live far away, and we're going to hug. Dd isn't in school at the moment and we are both wfh and homeschooling so I don't see it as a massive risk to my mum and dad anyway.

I'm done. They've snatched a year of our lives. They're not having more.

I'm sorry about your miscarriage but the rest of your post makes me very angry.

You clearly have had a hug from family as you have a partner and children.

People like you may be the reason why my elderly parents will be stuck at home for months and months, may even die, and why I can't see them.

Stop being so selfish.

[Changemaname1]

Everyone has their breaking point , many will follow . Mostly these are not evil people, they are just human beings that have had enough of being isolated.
I have found a big divide between people that are happy with lockdown , that live with their family and probably their normal lives tended to revolve around that anyway, and single people living alone that got all their social interactions from activities outside the home

This with fkin bells on.

[hexonthebeach]

@TinyTinaTriesAgain

But the thing is we've been told for almost a year now if we follow the rules then we'll be out of this mess quicker. But that doesn't seem to be the case - Boris intimated just last week that these restrictions could go on until the summer. People are fed up of this government's incompetence and lies so I don't blame people for having enough.

*@CeibaTree* Has the idea that people NOT following the rules being the reason not come into your head?

I usually keep of this part of MN as it annoys the hell out of me.

I am totally sick of posters saying they ARE breaking the rules (as shown here today) OR they are going to, OR they know people who are.

Then folks like you come along and ask why lockdown isn't working.

It's not working because too many selfish people are ignoring the rules.

I don't care if those people who break the rules die.

I do care about people like me who have followed the rules to the letter and who have elderly parents who I can't see, and won't see in case I am asymptomatic and they die because of my actions.

I do care about people dying from cancer because they can't get operations as the drs are looking after people with Covid or there are now beds.

I do despair that people can't dig dep enough into their own emotional resources to stick to the rules and protect the rest of society.

Dig deep?

Are you kidding me, some of us have dug as deep as we can without the ground swallowing us up.

If you want to keep digging deep until your submerged, go for it, but a lot of us are already under water.

[Cecily42]

Everyone has had enough, but what is the option? In a pandemic you can’t just make decisions on your own behalf🤷🏻‍♀️

[Mizzler]

@TinyTinaTriesAgain aren't you a fucking peach? Just because you can't see past your own experiences, to recognise how lucky you are to be able to cope with these rules without serious mental health problems, means that people who aren't able to deserve to die?

The WHO have said repeatedly that lockdowns should not be used to try to control the virus long-term. Testing and contact tracing should be used. Get angry with the government for failing so badly at that, rather than wishing death on people who aren't lucky enough to share your circumstances.

[RaggieDolls]

[quote reallyexhausted]@RaggieDolls I really see no reason why you can't see your parents once they are vaccinated and they're officially protected. I went to see my over 60s mum and dad abroad when it was allowed. I don't understand some people haven't seen their family since March last year. There was plenty of opportunity when you could have seen people and it was all within the rules. I'm in London and only from around October did they stop household mixing indoors. I had a window and I took it where the travel corridor was still up and running. I will be doing the same thing again if things lift this time. And if they don't lift, I will take matters into my own hands and buy myself some antigen tests and do them / isolate etc to reduce the risk. It's really dragging on now and I'm not willing to go on like this forever. [/quote]
I really hope you get to go soon @reallyexhausted. It's even worse for people with family abroad.

We did take our chances over the summer. We were there the first day they said you could mix indoors in June or whenever it was. We had some lovely visits over the summer. It was difficult for us though because things got bad where I live and we went into tier two when in laws where still tier one. Then it exploded in their area of the south east. They were in tier 4 for Christmas so we couldn't see them then.

MIL is late 60's so hoping she will get her appointment soon. We won't ask them to do anything they don't want to do but I know they feel more frustrated by it all than we do.

[TinyTinaTriesAgain]

They've snatched a year of our lives. They're not having more

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@Mizzler I could say the same about YOU.

They are the population. Every single person who breaks a rule and mixes is increasing the rate of transmission or giving it a chance to spread.

People who break the rules are the ones snatching people's lives.

The rules are there, and will stop the spread if people follow them.

Yes, some were too little and too late, but that doesn't mean we all ignore the rules there are.

[Ltdannygreen]

I can’t blame her, at least she’s adhered to the rules up until now. I’m only sticking to the rules by default because there’s fuck all else to do. People have enough. I said in March they should have closed the airports and now all of a sudden they’ve realised that it could have been a lot better had we’d closed the airports back then.... no shit Sherlock. Absolute shambles this country.

[dottiedodah]

I think we are at Lockdown Fatigue Point now.Many people will be feeling like your friend does .A dear friend is unwell and no chance of seeing her any time soon.Miss my other friends as well .One meet up at the park SD is all I have with one of them .What to do?I take each day as it comes and just think we are one day nearer to being unlocked .Face masks and hand washing is here to stay I think .This is a good thing I think.Everyone is in the same boat really ,The last hour before Dawn is the longest as they say .

[TinyTinaTriesAgain]

MIL is late 60's so hoping she will get her appointment soon.

It's mid March earliest for the over 65s.

[AaronPurr]

Then folks like you come along and ask why lockdown isn't working. It's not working because too many selfish people are ignoring the rules.

Apologies if i'm wrong but I thought compliance had been quite high? Obviously there will always be those who don't stick to the rules; you're never going to get 100%, but the majority have been doing so.