Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

My god concentrate on your own garden. If she's a nurse then shel understand this virus alot better. A virus doesn't care if your at the park or at home!!! She's done more for the NHS than you or I so stop fecking judging. This website is literally full of whingers....feck my life!!

Its unreasonable to expect people to carry on like this with no end in sight. The only lockdown i am following is what i cant get round such as an establishment being shut.
Anything else is ignored. Admittedly i am too old for a rave but i was 20years younger i would be fully flouting.

When people have been vaccinated and have built up immunity they may feel they can go about much more. Especially if you are talking about older people who have seen a year go by without having much to do.

You'd then get younger ones thinking well all the risky people have been vaccinated so NHS pressure has dropped so we can risk doing more things.

My local area saturated with cars on, a daily basis loads more out. Than the first lockdown. Bueaty stops are rammed.

@VinylDetective There was a swine flu pandemic in 2009

@Muncher75. I am so sorry to hear about your teenage daughter.
If she would like someone else to talk to about this, any time, day or night, completely confidentiality, please give her the number for The Samaritans. They have a great deal of experience in exactly this. They are good listeners and it may help your daughter to talk about things.

@Emilyontmoor

Paapa Another of the conspiracy twats who doesn’t know that Swine flu was not a novel Coronavirus but a flu virus that many people already had immunity to as a result of exposure to previous flu viruses. It killed young people who didn’t. The whole reason that Covid is so infectious is that we don’t have existing immunity.

And yes I do think New Zealand’s strategy (and Taiwan’s, Hong Kong’s, South Korea’s, Thailand. Vietnam, Singapore etc etc etc ) will keep them safe until they have the vaccine.

You know, given a choice between taking the advice of some deranged sounding anti lockdown randomer with a bad google habit, no ability to recognise the difference between a large number and a small one. and a moral vacuum, and actual Scientists (there is one in the next room four years studying for a first class master’s degree in Nat Sci and five more years working as a research Scientist and since the beginning of March a volunteered in an effective testing initiative with Cancer Research U.K. and now delivering the vaccine) I think I’ll go with the latter. Good luck with your further ramblings.....

Another calling someone a twat. I'm sure people will be taking note of who is choosing to deploy the "twats" and "fuckwits" and "cunts" in this discussion. Someone has already had a post removed for this kind of behaviour.

I think mid March is when people are really going to start ignoring the lockdown rules and guidance en masse. Realising we’ve been living with Covid and on-off lockdowns first a full year will be a psychological tipping point for many people I think. And yes, I’ll probably be among them.

@Silp

SO sick about hearing that younger people are fed up about not seeing friends. How many elderly people haven't even gone out since March? How many haven't even been able to even see relatives, never mind hug them. so all you youngsters get a grip & stop moaning, families were separated for YEARS during wars. To the rest of you, who say, F*k the Lockdown or don't even believe in this virus, I just hope you or your loved don't get it. It's due to Morons like you that we're not getting out of this mess- not the governments!!!

@Silp

Oh and to those who are determined to bring up the war during every coronavirus discussion, do you really think no one during WW2 questioned government policy? Do you genuinely believe that no one took issue with certain government decisions?

Dresden anyone?

Everyone is fed up with lockdown from young to old, but we’ve got so far so we all need to support each other and wait for the all clear. Considering your friend’s Mum is recovering she’ll need help when she goes home, take it she doesn’t care if her Mum gets reinfected and returns to hospital!

@Mamafaye
I’m absolutely with you on the common sense but as the recent week or so has proven there’s a lot without any

A wedding with 400 people in attendance, raves, parties behind locked doors, etc......

Sadly the Government have no choice than to treat everyone the same and when you have utter cockwombles who do this sort of thing then there’s gonna be no end in sight

@Emilyontmoor

Paapa Another of the conspiracy twats who doesn’t know that Swine flu was not a novel Coronavirus but a flu virus that many people already had immunity to as a result of exposure to previous flu viruses. It killed young people who didn’t. The whole reason that Covid is so infectious is that we don’t have existing immunity.

And yes I do think New Zealand’s strategy (and Taiwan’s, Hong Kong’s, South Korea’s, Thailand. Vietnam, Singapore etc etc etc ) will keep them safe until they have the vaccine.

You know, given a choice between taking the advice of some deranged sounding anti lockdown randomer with a bad google habit, no ability to recognise the difference between a large number and a small one. and a moral vacuum, and actual Scientists (there is one in the next room four years studying for a first class master’s degree in Nat Sci and five more years working as a research Scientist and since the beginning of March a volunteered in an effective testing initiative with Cancer Research U.K. and now delivering the vaccine) I think I’ll go with the latter. Good luck with your further ramblings.....

Another of the conspiracy twats who doesn’t know that Swine flu was not a novel Coronavirus but a flu virus that many people already had immunity to as a result of exposure to previous flu viruses. It killed young people who didn’t. The whole reason that Covid is so infectious is that we don’t have existing immunity.

I do know that coronaviruses and flu viruses are different, I just mixed up which response had the scandal surrounding the response.
Do you not believe the channel 4 news report? That sometimes companies and public bodies have vested interests in pursuing certain angles? Sorry to disabuse you of that notion but that's incredibly naïve - especially as there's lots of proof to the contrary (though I'm sure that my ability to provide evidence to back up pretty much everything I'm saying is what you refer to as my 'bad Google habit' - you might want to try getting a bad Google habit yourself, since you post so little evidence).

Even so - I have not once named a conspiracy about SARS-COV-2. As I have said, repeatedly, I think our response has been driven by stupidity and public pressure.

The whole reason that Covid is so infectious is that we don’t have existing immunity.

Did your scientist pal in the next room tell you that?
There was a point during this pandemic that even T cells were dismissed as a 'right wing conspiracy theory'.
www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563

@silp funny as all the old people I know who lived through the war feel sorry for the younger generations and what they are missing out on and how hard it is.
As they can see how hard it is for everybody and it isn't about which was worse , its about here and now .

i`m sure we have all had enough but its no excuse, too many people disregarding advice, they should take a look at the people in hospital who have really had enough

[quote Lostinacloud]@Paapa fucking awesome post [/quote]
Completely agree. An outstanding post.

Every person I know is now feeling & saying things like this. Obviously they aren’t going to be attending parties or pubs, but will happily meet 2 people for a walk out with a 5 mile radius or going to someone’s house for a coffee. For the record, all my friends are nurses that have worked in covid receiving this entire lockdown but they are burnt out emotionally & physically & are finding it extremely hard going from that type of environment to being stuck in the house with no social outlet. They miss their families & their friends. They’ve missed out visiting new nieces & nephews being born, seeing their parents/grandparents before they’ve unexpectedly died & they’ve all had enough.

My gran has said from the beginning of the pandemic that she’s happy to take risks to see her children/grandchildren & great grandchildren as she could die next year from other causes & she would have spent her last year alone & isolated after losing my papa a few years ago.

Your friend is a knob

'Completely agree. An outstanding post.'

What, the Stacy monologue?!

'My gran has said from the beginning of the pandemic that she’s happy to take risks to see her children/grandchildren & great grandchildren as she could die next year from other causes'

Well how lovely and noble. So if she gets breathless after contracting it through being reckless she'll just sit and home and suffer in silence? or would she infact expect a bit of symptom control at her local NHS which just may be snowed under and be full others who have 'taken risks' aka flouted rules.

And yes I do think New Zealand’s strategy (and Taiwan’s, Hong Kong’s, South Korea’s, Thailand. Vietnam, Singapore etc etc etc ) will keep them safe until they have the vaccine.

I genuinely hope you're right.
It won't keep them, or us safe from this supremely damaging new precedence set for the response for new viruses though. As we know, the immune system is like a muscle. The more it works, the better it gets (until the point where it cannot cope). Previous exposure to viruses helps with responses to new ones.
We're about to find out what nearly a year of trying to reduce exposure to the viruses others might carry has done to many populations...

no ability to recognise the difference between a large number and a small one, and a moral vacuum

If you think that the Vietnamese response was appropriate, then you're the one with the moral vacuum.
Also, you really shouldn't automatically judge people who think that lockdowns are inappropriate responses as immoral.
You're wrong.

@GetOffYourHighHorse maybe you should follow the advice in your name. The NHS is always a shambles, I work in it. I’ve suffered many shifts where people don’t give a shit about “protecting it”. It’s an absolute mess 90% of the year & the public don’t care then when they turn up to A&E with back pain they’ve had for 15 years on a random Saturday night or the COPD sufferer that comes in with yet another exacerbation but will refuse to stop smoking.

Stop blaming people wanting to see their families on “overwhelming” the NHS. I suppose it’s better that the elderly wither away to nothing in their own homes & lose all aspects of independence & hope in what is left of their lives. The fallout from lockdowns will cripple the NHS in years to come anyway, there already wasn’t enough money available for it, what do you think will happen now when the economy is in tatters?

Well, to be blunt she's not only stupid, selfish and irresponsible, but also quite likely to die of Covid herself in the not too distant future. If I were you I'd have no contact with her except by phone or email, because she's definitely going to be endangering every person she comes into contact with - even at 2 metres.

@TinyTinaTriesAgain

But the thing is we've been told for almost a year now if we follow the rules then we'll be out of this mess quicker. But that doesn't seem to be the case - Boris intimated just last week that these restrictions could go on until the summer. People are fed up of this government's incompetence and lies so I don't blame people for having enough.

@CeibaTree Has the idea that people NOT following the rules being the reason not come into your head?

I usually keep of this part of MN as it annoys the hell out of me.

I am totally sick of posters saying they ARE breaking the rules (as shown here today) OR they are going to, OR they know people who are.

Then folks like you come along and ask why lockdown isn't working.

It's not working because too many selfish people are ignoring the rules.

I don't care if those people who break the rules die.

I do care about people like me who have followed the rules to the letter and who have elderly parents who I can't see, and won't see in case I am asymptomatic and they die because of my actions.

I do care about people dying from cancer because they can't get operations as the drs are looking after people with Covid or there are now beds.

I do despair that people can't dig dep enough into their own emotional resources to stick to the rules and protect the rest of society.

I think the problem with the @CeibaTree sense of letdown after obeying govt rules and still having to suffer, which a lot of people are experiencing, is that people too closely followed govt advice and not WHO/Sage advice, which was always more stringent. The awful tragedy at the centre of govt advice was that it was always tainted by Boris' and others' wish to be popular and therefore not be rigorous enough. The refusal to promote the wearing of masks early on is a good example. Everyone who obeyed that advice without looking at evidence based advice from other countries, was unwittingly spreading Covid better, and so for them to now feel betrayed and wishing to give up on the govt is another extremely serious consequence of policy failures that continue.

I always wonder if those shouting loudest for indefinite compliance with lockdown rules are so vigilant in potentially protecting other people in other ways.

I remember a thread a couple of years ago when I made the point that someone’s car and plane emissions could be the tipping point for a life or death situation in eg a flood in Bangladesh, or a severely asthmatic child in London. I was told my many posters that I was being ridiculous and that you can’t look at things in such a individualist and ‘blame-focused’ way.

So my point is when some people are so pro-lockdown - ‘we must save every one from Covid if we possibly can!’ - it comes across to me as overly narrow, and contradictory.

@Ineke thank you 😊
I have been fortunate enough to find her a counsellor which she has spoken with online on a weekly basis for the foreseeable future.
It’s very easy for us to judge people on their individual actions through this lockdown. We are all fighting our own battles as well as COVID and so we must remember that many have more complex decisions to make than just staying in for the greater good. I think on the whole most sensible people are minimalising their movements and being considerate. My situation has shown me that it isn’t black and white.
Thank you to the people who have made nice comments to me. I showed them to my husband and it made us feel better about the decisions we have had to make.😊