Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

'Stacy, and the politicians who caved to her, has quite possibly brought about the destruction of our society.'

Fgs what dramatic bollocks. The destruction of our society 🙄.

Stacy, and the politicians who caved to her, has quite possibly brought about the destruction of our society

Very tempted to bookmark this one for posterity and give it an airing this time next year when society is still very much not destroyed. But that would be petty.

Paapa What a deranged post

I can’t even bother to begin unpicking that load of illogical unscientific nonsense

And who the fuck is Stacey 😂

I think Stacy is anyone who disagrees with Paapa.

Poor Stacy

@Emilyontmoor

Paapa What a deranged post

I can’t even bother to begin unpicking that load of illogical unscientific nonsense

And who the fuck is Stacey 😂

That's what I thought. Started off as if it was sensible and actually have me information I hadn't come across. Then went all weird 🙈

And who the fuck is Stacey

Read that in an "Alice? Who the fuck is Alice?!" song tone lol

More likely we’ve been at receiving end of campaign to gel we need to be ‘safe’

We were actually at the receiving end of a campaign to be more scared .

'A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently personally threatened; it could be that they are reassured by the low death rate in their demographic group - The perceived level
of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting, emotional messaging'.

They knew that lockdown would be hard to police, so deliberately manipulated fear levels higher, and recruited an army of Stacies to police it with 'social disapproval' (see pic)
I wonder how many Constable Stacies knew that they'd been nudged by government psychologists into behaving as they are? They took to the role of Good Covid Soldier so readily, I don't think many would even feel bad about it.
They've probably never heard of either the Stanford or Milgram experiments , and wouldn't identify with them anyway.

Paapa yes and scared. In absence of enforcement it’s one of main tools.

@Paapa brilliant post

@namechangeforthis24

Stacy, and the politicians who caved to her, has quite possibly brought about the destruction of our society

Very tempted to bookmark this one for posterity and give it an airing this time next year when society is still very much not destroyed. But that would be petty.

If it's not come to pass I'll be the most relieved out of everyone. It'll likely take more than one year, though, but if you don't understand the dire situation that the world's global finances are in, and the potential knock on consequences to society (not to mention the psychological harm to the children of this generation), you're better off staying with your head in the sand.

Is "Stacey" actually "Stasi", but mis-spelled?

That's what I thought. Started off as if it was sensible and actually have me information I hadn't come across.

Well no not really. Some actual statistics. Japan had 4717 cases on Saturday 1000 in Tokyo, there are 156 in Tokyo hospitals with severe symptoms, 83 deaths nationally. Bad compared to their experience so far but the UK had 33,552 cases, 5000 in London, thankfully coming down from the 10000 a day earlier in the month, 7000 are in London hospitals, 1200 on ventilators. I don't expect Paapa to be able to get that in perspective but I am sure most people can.....

And nobody ever claimed masks alone were the reason that Japan had fared relatively well so far, masks and other infection control measures are just some of the cultural practises that would help inhibit infection, businesses closed voluntarily, quarantine is enforced, borders were closed and domestic consumption is down because people stayed home.

Honestly I am not surprised that Paapa is beginning to sound deranged, it must be increasingly hard to keep to these conspiracy theories in the face of all the evidence. The cognitive dissonance must be massive. Even Toby Young has shut his trap.

@Paapa of course I understand that there is a huge recession/depression to deal with alongside the pandemic, but society is not going to collapse. I m old(ish) and have lived through recessions and like pandemics, they always end. Admittedly I know this one will be the worst of my lifetime, but hyperbole helps no-one.

'Honestly I am not surprised that Paapa is beginning to sound deranged, it must be increasingly hard to keep to these conspiracy theories in the face of all the evidence. The cognitive dissonance must be massive. Even Toby Young has shut his trap.'

Indeed. I hope they have support irl it is alarming to see some their posts.

Also I am not discounting the cost to the mental health of all of us. I am the sole carer for a shielding relative and I am struggling at times with the isolation.

I don't think Stacy from HR is a real person so much as she's meant to be an archetype of a very particular sort - slightly above average intelligence, pivoted seamlessly from "masks don't work!" to "wear a fucking mask", deep unearned sense of moral and intellectual superiority, anyone who disagrees is thick even when they're more intelligent than her.

I personally don't think Stacy will destroy our civilisation but I do find her annoying when she tries to explain that there's "literally a global pandemic" whenever anyone expresses an ounce of unhappiness or tries to go on a walk she thinks is too long.

Honestly I am not surprised that Paapa is beginning to sound deranged, it must be increasingly hard to keep to these conspiracy theories in the face of all the evidence. The cognitive dissonance must be massive. Even Toby Young has shut his trap.

What conspiracy theory have I mentioned?

'It'll likely take more than one year, though, but if you don't understand the dire situation that the world's global finances are in, and the potential knock on consequences to society (not to mention the psychological harm to the children of this generation), you're better off staying with your head in the sand.'

We all know it. However this is the effect of the pandemic. What is the alternative? we have to have restrictions to try to keep a lid on it and allow those that need critical care to receive critical care. You do know this don't you? Ignoring restrictions and telling your Stacy monologues do not change this.

Also, what part of any lockdowns around the world suggest that they work?

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'It'll likely take more than one year, though, but if you don't understand the dire situation that the world's global finances are in, and the potential knock on consequences to society (not to mention the psychological harm to the children of this generation), you're better off staying with your head in the sand.'

We all know it. However this is the effect of the pandemic. What is the alternative? we have to have restrictions to try to keep a lid on it and allow those that need critical care to receive critical care. You do know this don't you? Ignoring restrictions and telling your Stacy monologues do not change this.

This is not the effect of the pandemic. This is the effect of the mitigation measures. GDP went up during the 1968 during the Hong Kong flu epidemic. South Dakota, which never locked down, has seen unemployment rates unchanged since 2019.

What is the alternative?

Since 40% of deaths are of care home residents, and you don't need a lockdown to protect them, I'd suggest starting looking there...

'Since 40% of deaths are of care home residents, and you don't need a lockdown to protect them, I'd suggest starting looking there...'

Oh fgs how many times, it isn’t the deaths, sad though they are it is the huge amounts in ICU. They are struggling, not 'like other winters' but with most routine ops cancelled and all staff redeployed to critical care. 70 ICU patients in some hospitals instead or 24! Younger people.They cannot accommodate more if everyone was carrying on as normal, these numbers would be catastrophically higher, if you have friends and family they may not get a bed. Restrictions are necessary. So get your head out of the sand.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Since 40% of deaths are of care home residents, and you don't need a lockdown to protect them, I'd suggest starting looking there...'

Oh fgs how many times, it isn’t the deaths, sad though they are it is the huge amounts in ICU. They are struggling, not 'like other winters' but with most routine ops cancelled and all staff redeployed to critical care. 70 ICU patients in some hospitals instead or 24! Younger people.They cannot accommodate more if everyone was carrying on as normal, these numbers would be catastrophically higher, if you have friends and family they may not get a bed. Restrictions are necessary. So get your head out of the sand.

Er, I'd suggest a number of the care home residents were taken to hosptital.... This is from 2019 and whilst I'm sure we're all aware by now of 'our NHS discharging patients back into carehomes, I'm unaware of any policy which said to not admit them. Wouldn't be surprised if there was one, but there would still have been a few good souls that ignored it. www.health.org.uk/publications/reports/emergency-admissions-to-hospital-from-care-homes

Paapi The part where transmission of the virus is suppressed and cases and deaths minimised. It like a succession of leaky sieves, masks, social distancing, limiting social contact, border controls, track, trace and quarantine are none of them perfect ways of controlling the virus in themselves so you can cherry pick all you like with the nonsense you have read on the internet but all in place they can and do suppress the virus. How you can look at a handful of cases in quarantine in New Zealand and leap to the conclusion their strategy isn't working is beyond my powers of logic. They have just reported their first community acquired case in months. That will do for me as leaky sieves go....

And they are not strategies dreamt up by politicians to control you. They emerged from the SARs epidemic which in those first days (I was there) was terrifying as it raged through whole tower blocks but between the scientists and public health officials they worked out the processes that worked in controlling the virus. None of us who lived through SARs were under any illusions that it wasn't the big one and a bigger one would come along. That is the Science. Japan as the rest of Asia that experience meant those processes swung into action early, with the public health officials in charge, not politicians.

Seeing this pandemic as an exercise in psychops is conspiracy theory. Well done you have found some basic psychology on the internet. Might surprise you to know that policeman and Stacey, whoever the fuck she is, might well know about the Stamford experiment, its a pretty standard part of most school curriculum these days, not particularly a mark of someone having superior insight, sorry.