Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

I'm unaware of any policy which said to not admit them. Wouldn't be surprised if there was one

Sadly there was, blanket DNR orders on care homes meant that many were never admitted to hospital ttps://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4733

www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4733

'It like a succession of leaky sieves, masks, social distancing, limiting social contact, border controls, track, trace and quarantine are none of them perfect ways of controlling the virus in themselves so you can cherry pick all you like with the nonsense you have read on the internet but all in place they can and do suppress the virus.'

It is so reassuring to read such sensible posts @Emilyontmoor. The amount of disinformation and weird 'Stacy' type posts is staggering.

There seems to be some just so desperate to enable and excuse their own slack behaviour they're pulling all kind of tall stories out of the hat.

'I'd suggest a number of the care home residents were taken to hosptital....'

Of course, if they had conditions that could be treated or operated on. My point was it isn't frail care home staff who are taking up ICU beds which is where the problem actually is.

Frail care home residents*

@Paapa is one of the few talking any sense on this thread

Moron comes to mind

Stacy from HR did not really consider the multiple catastrophic harms from the response, because it is not in Stacy from HR's nature to do so.

What a patronising, classist, misogynist pile of wank.

Although I feel for anyone that’s struggling just ignoring the rules won’t help us get out of this

The more people choose to do as they like and ignore lockdown rules the longer this will go on

Saying she will accept any fines is stupid. Does she have an endless supply of money ?

We are supposedly all in this together and we must keep going for as long as it takes

What's worrying is the new UK Variant seems both more contagious and more deadly than what we faced during the first lockdown. It may also have mutated sufficiently to make the vaccines worthless. Let's hope we can hang on enough to stop people needlessly dying.

People will definitely be loosing their tether when loved ones need ICU beds and there aren't any, and there are not enough doctors and nurses to care for covid patients and your loved one has a heart attack or stroke but there are no available ambulances to save them. Maybe I'm a 'sheep' for believing. Maybe I'm stupid for believing my friends and family who work on the frontlines in the hospitals - the whole world is conspiring in a fake illness. The whole world that is continuously on the brink of ww3 are suddenly all working together to control us.

Well I’m absolutely with her on this. Just use common sense people; wash hands, wear a mask in public etc, but other than that I’m done with it. Sick and tired of it now. We have to get on with our lives eventually. I’m signing every petition available to stop all this nonsense. People are controlled by media and fear and that has never worked with me.
Use common sense, open up businesses again, and let’s get on with life. Come on people.

Maybe I'm a 'sheep' for believing. Maybe I'm stupid for believing my friends and family who work on the frontlines in the hospitals - the whole world is conspiring in a fake illness

So people cannot be against the way that the advertisements are weaponising people, without being non believers?

We are not getting any signs of returning to normalcy- Boris tells us all the new variant is more deadly which goes against what the scientists data said and then Boris says the vaccination isn't a way out - then wtf? We can't write off another year and another...

In fairness, I haven't seen many hospitals who aren't filled. Throw all the funding you like at the NHS you still need physical beds and staff for it to work. Our hospital has added 4 new wards. Our 34 bed.ITU became 90 and it's at capacity, full. It's very easy to slag off the NHS and government but it's very difficult to manage. We have to separate covid from none covid and our side rooms need to be kept for patients who cannot mix because they are immunosuppressed. It's like a Rubix cube that keeps changing. And the saddest thing is the public think its so easy to solve

Only came back to U.K. to keep an eye on my kids, put my daughter in a better school and look after our elderly mums. DH stayed in his job overseas with Intent to visit every 5 weeks. It’s all gone tits up this end meanwhile he’s living in a country that has virtually all its freedoms back because people didn’t question the rules from day 1. They now have vaccines for everyone, no one allowed in unless they have tested neg and isolated for 10 days and life has resumed. We are stuck surrounded by feckin floods, and now we are threatened with no school (that we sacrificed everything for) until after May and I’ve still not seen my older kids or elderly mums more than a couple of times! Damned right people have had enough when all we read about is this corrupt inept government and their dodgy deals with their friends, inability to make a decision and stick to it and u turns every other day. I used to think my former country hosts were a sandwich short of a picnic but it seems I got it all wrong- they are the smart ones and this country is an embarrassment.

I have no sympathy for people like her. We are all bored of lockdown, so what makes her special?
She needs to grow up and get over herself. Everyone wants normality, everyone wants something to look forward to. Right now it’s not possible and the ‘fuck it’ mentality of a few will mean more misery for everyone else.
I can’t be doing with selfish idiots like her.

The current government will Never admit to their failures in relation to pandemic. How can we consider ourselves as an advanced nation with state of the art technologies and systems in place - yet have failed miserably due to incompetence of government???? It’s not about blame culture more about taking responsibility- which they will never do. Livelihoods of people destroyed, economy down the shithole it’s just a massive fuck up!!!!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHcTZ8tHKW8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1-i3Mcxh_IfWgwHSAPvQhLRtJvmmLFF-DrU9vIS_Z3DNm3cvBOn04GyMY If you think covid if some sort of joke than please watch this. Lockdown, yes we are all bored and fed up, but we are ALL in the same boat. If you suffer with mental health and need to get out.. go for a social distanced walk with a friend or family - be safe and not stupid. Use your common sense people!

I don't care about fines or laws. I'm only following the rules so the NHS isn't overwhelmed and I'd initially hoped that if everyone went into hibernation we'd have been out of this mess a long time ago, but in reality that was never going to happen given size and international links. Oh and morons!

@Emilyontmoor

Paapi The part where transmission of the virus is suppressed and cases and deaths minimised. It like a succession of leaky sieves, masks, social distancing, limiting social contact, border controls, track, trace and quarantine are none of them perfect ways of controlling the virus in themselves so you can cherry pick all you like with the nonsense you have read on the internet but all in place they can and do suppress the virus. How you can look at a handful of cases in quarantine in New Zealand and leap to the conclusion their strategy isn't working is beyond my powers of logic. They have just reported their first community acquired case in months. That will do for me as leaky sieves go....

And they are not strategies dreamt up by politicians to control you. They emerged from the SARs epidemic which in those first days (I was there) was terrifying as it raged through whole tower blocks but between the scientists and public health officials they worked out the processes that worked in controlling the virus. None of us who lived through SARs were under any illusions that it wasn't the big one and a bigger one would come along. That is the Science. Japan as the rest of Asia that experience meant those processes swung into action early, with the public health officials in charge, not politicians.

Seeing this pandemic as an exercise in psychops is conspiracy theory. Well done you have found some basic psychology on the internet. Might surprise you to know that policeman and Stacey, whoever the fuck she is, might well know about the Stamford experiment, its a pretty standard part of most school curriculum these days, not particularly a mark of someone having superior insight, sorry.

And they are not strategies dreamt up by politicians to control you. They emerged from the SARs epidemic which in those first days (I was there) was terrifying as it raged through whole tower blocks but between the scientists and public health officials they worked out the processes that worked in controlling the virus. None of us who lived through SARs were under any illusions that it wasn't the big one and a bigger one would come along. That is the Science.

What a load of absolute guff.

The WHO pandemic response plan up until 2019 never, ever mentioned border controls, or quarantine of those potentially exposed. In fact they recommended the opposite.

The SARS epidemic response is now thought of as a medical scandal.
www.spiegel.de/international/world/reconstruction-of-a-mass-hysteria-the-swine-flu-panic-of-2009-a-682613-amp.html

Are you going to call channel 4 news conspiracy theorists....?

Seeing this pandemic as an exercise in psychops is conspiracy theory

I never said it was a psy-op. I've made it very clear that I think that this is a weak government doing stupid things due to public pressure from stupid people.
But, our behaviour to comply with it all has very definitely been manipulated by the government - that's not a conspiracy theory because I linked to the fucking proof!

How you can look at a handful of cases in quarantine in New Zealand and leap to the conclusion their strategy isn't working is beyond my powers of logic

I said it was useless as a long term strategy. Do you really disagree?!

There are studies upon studies which show that there is no correlation to NPIs and outcome. The only thing that might make a difference is the health of the population and pandemic preparedness.

Its just such an awful way to die, gasping for breath, drowning in your own mucus, but in all likelihood you'd probably be unconscious and intubated.

I'd rather obey lockdown thanks!

Apologies - it was the swine flu pandemic that was the scandal - not sars. Very stupid of me to confuse them.

@Sandfairy69 you can't really blame government or people for the flooding. I bet this other country you talk of had strong border control- that's the main reason the UK is in the state it's in, but it suits them to have the general public arguing instead about minor infractions that won't make much of a difference to overall numbers.

@Redrivershore

I doubt the NHS will collapse if people travel 50 miles to go to a deserted National Trust place rather than walk the busy road near their house

Not the whole NHS, but you can see how your local intensive care unit might struggle if e.g. 2-3 vehicles were involved in a collision and they had to dispatch several ambulances to the scene? We’re not only being told to stay home to stop the spread, it’s to reduce the risk of accidents putting more pressure on the NHS.

Only if one loses a loved to this awful virus will the gravity of the need to follow the rules hit home.