Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

@DigitalGhost

I've seen quite alot of people saying March 1st is their limit. People who have been super strict about it so far too who are the first to shoot down anyone suggesting breaking a rule. It seems people have truly had enough.

Will the virus be gone on March 1st then?

It’s this selfish attitude that will keep us all in lockdown for longer and longer. Sadly, this is what the government are up against.

How can you still not be getting it?
Have you done any research?
Stats from around the world are pretty much the same, regardless of lockdown stringency.

I visited my mum over Christmas, I made the choice and we both caught Covid. Luckily, neither one of us required hospital treatment but it was/ is awful and I’m still suffering with fatigue. If you decide to break restrictions then fine, but then don’t complain if you or your loved one gets infected or worse because of that choice.

You’re both ok though so not really a big deal? In previous years would you be handwringing so much if you’d both caught a virus/flu at Christmas? No. It would just be par for the course.

Stays around the world

Most of the east is doing quite or very well
Their idea of an outbreak is measured in the tens not millions of cases
Brazil is a disaster
Europe is pretty poor

Will the virus be gone on March 1st then?

No. It will never be gone - it’s here to stay. What do you not understand about that? But the warmer weather/vaccine/declining numbers will mean people will feel it’s worth the risk to visit family.

I don't blame her...not in the least.

It's interesting to consider how little many of us are prepared to do for 'strangers' when they know there is no guarantee they won't be affected themselves and cannot, unless they're spectacularly unpopular know no one vulnerable. It doesn't say anything good about how much we will be prepared to sacrifice for future generations to avoid a climate catastrophe.

People just do nothing, innit.

@Maze76

I visited my mum over Christmas, I made the choice and we both caught Covid. Luckily, neither one of us required hospital treatment but it was/ is awful and I’m still suffering with fatigue. If you decide to break restrictions then fine, but then don’t complain if you or your loved one gets infected or worse because of that choice.

Can I complain if I catch covid when I have followed the restrictions? Who do I complain to and will I get compensated, or just fobbed off with an apology?

The virus won't go. Vaccinations and lockdown leads to declining cases. Then Vaccination and improved treatment leads to reduced NHs load. At some point it becomes acceptable and manageable.

Early summer if we hold our nerve.
May or earlier with good luck and strong compliance
Early March unlikely.

@Redrivershore

I doubt the NHS will collapse if people travel 50 miles to go to a deserted National Trust place rather than walk the busy road near their house

Travelling 50+ miles to go somewhere for a walk runs the risk of being involved in a car accident, thus putting more strain on an already overstretched NHS. People need to think of the bigger picture.

@shindiggery

It's interesting to consider how little many of us are prepared to do for 'strangers' when they know there is no guarantee they won't be affected themselves and cannot, unless they're spectacularly unpopular know no one vulnerable. It doesn't say anything good about how much we will be prepared to sacrifice for future generations to avoid a climate catastrophe.

People just do nothing, innit.

How much of your disposable income do you send to the fight against malaria in Africa? If you've bought wine or crisps in the last fortnight you're SELFISH - that money could have saved someone's life.

Do you still have both kidneys? SELFISH!

At the miniute any avoidable injury is a real benefit for the NHS and for anyone else who gets ill.

It won't last forever

Travelling 50+ miles to go somewhere for a walk runs the risk of being involved in a car accident, thus putting more strain on an already overstretched NHS. People need to think of the bigger picture.

Most accidents happen in the home....

Travelling 50+ miles to go somewhere for a walk runs the risk of being involved in a car accident, thus putting more strain on an already overstretched NHS

Oh dear, we’re back to this bollocks I see.

The majority of accidents requiring hospital happen in the home. Let’s chuck people out of that, shall we?

X post AGAIN

Early March fits with a couple of weeks after first dose 15th Feb

Although we’re getting more info on effectiveness atm

So, unless we live like Mother Theresa, we may as well be sociopaths? What a ridiculous argument.

If you are feeling suicidal or suffering from depression, go visit someone. If you're feeling bored and a bit lonely, don't.

Does it really need this much vitriol?

I can understand where your friend is coming from, overwhelmed by feeling and so ignoring reality - ie not behaving rationally or logically.

Say you live in a town and are used to crossing a moderately busy road safely using the crossing devices or not if personal risk assessment deems it unnecessary - ie no cars.

Then things change and official advice is not to cross but you think you have to cross a 6 lane motorway with steady, fast moving traffic with no break and with no devices to aid crossing. You dither and dither and then think fuck it I have to get to the other side. You may be splattered or or may reach the other side safely.

But either way your reckless behaviour will result in a ripple effect of consequences from delay to death.

Ignoring official advice is one thing but ignoring reality and real consequence is another.

Travelling 50+ miles to go somewhere for a walk runs the risk of being involved in a car accident, thus putting more strain on an already overstretched NHS. People need to think of the bigger picture

Oh, not this tired old bollocks again. The NHS is stretched every winter, it’s never stopped anyone driving hundreds of miles. We didn’t all turn into rubbish drivers last March.

@TinyTinaTriesAgain my mum is single / my brother is single - they live down the road. I don't need to travel. DH and I WFH as do they.

Apart from seeing them I am following the rules. It's pretty insane that some people haven't seen thier parents for nearly a year.

Are people still using the upper storey of their houses rather than squashing together on the ground floor? So selfish if not - you could fall down the stairs and burden the NHS at any time.
No bathroom downstairs, you say? Well my uncle William has IBS but he's still shitting in a bucket behind the sofa to save going up the stairs, unlike the SELFISH people who are the reason that we're in this mess.

The Nhs is stressed most winters

So what? Are you pretending that things are not much worse this year?

@Backbee

I do think there is a time limit on compliance to not being able to see family etc, the government has had nearly a year of people's lives; forced many businesses into insolvency, families into poverty, peoples mental health in tatters, those who need healthcare for other reasons to be neglected and some die. They have had time, they have fucked up at nearly every point and it's a disgrace. I blame them more than Doris next door who misses her family.

The government has not had more than a year of people’s lives, the virus has. As much as everyone likes to blame the government for everything, they are not to blame for a world pandemic.

'My ds has just gone to meet 2 friends for a snowball fight - I hope he has a great time - he’s been getting really angry and frustrated and I’m not going to sit and watch him spiral when something as simple as a meeting outside with a couple of mates will bring him some much needed joy.'

Lovely! I don’t think anyone would possibly object to that. However, it's the indoor mixing with multiple households that is keeping the numbers up. We know it's happening as we've had plenty of gormless folk admit it. It is how infection diseases spread you see, indoors with close contacts. Honestly it's like pulling teeth.