Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

No because you have no rational basis for assuming everyone is going to do the same,

I absolutely do know that many are, I’m seeing it all around me.

Plus as I mentioned before, teachers unions I have no control over.

I don’t give two shits if you think it’s an ‘excuse’. My child cried every night last time because he was lonely. I’m not doing that to him again.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

I am in a prolonged lockdown because of rule breakers.

No, you're not. You're in a prolonged lockdown because the virus is doing what viruses do.

You don't even need to be a virologist to see this. Precedent has revealed it's following precisely the same pattern as other pandemics, from outbreak to the acceleration phase, inflection point, deacceleration phase and eventual ending. And infection rates oscillate at particular times of the year, the current time being the optimum for rates of infection. You only need look at the way flu viruses behave to verify as much.

The fact that Ms Felicia Flouter at No. 47 committed the outrageous crime of going to the garden centre has no bearing as to whether you remain under house-arrest for a further few weeks or not. Pandora's box was always going to be open once infections had passed the critical rate. That's now long since passed, and no extent of lockdown is going to re-close it.

This is a great post, but how could you say something so reasonable to people like @TinyTinaTriesAgain nothing but people living as miserable lives as possible will be enough for them. They seem be blindly following the government's lies that the general public are responsible for this mess, not that they have fucked things up with their incompetence at every turn. Now they are going for the divide and conquer tactics or turning people against each other. And the hard of thinking are falling for it.

[quote AnaisNun]@Thewinterofdiscontent

Actually for many areas lockdown wasn’t lifted. I think where I live we’ve had a total of 4 weeks without lockdown or additional measures that banned mixing, since last March.

Funnily enough where I live is also a highly diverse and socioeconomically disadvantaged part of the country.

Let me tell you- the kids will NOT automatically be alright.

My four year old- who is at private forest school/ nursery 4 days a week, and sees his grandmother weekly, as she’s our bubble- cried for an hour this morning over a series of trivial things. His socks weren’t comfy. His black t shirt was in the wash. The sun hasn’t come out today. I “hurt his feelings” by asking him to go and brush his teeth properly.

I was irritated, increasingly so, and slightly snappily asked “what’s going on? What’s really upsetting you?”

You know what he said?

“ I want everything how it used to be”. And then he listed all the ways he was hacked off- and guess what? They were no different to the things all of the adults on this thread listed, at their heart. He misses seeing his wider family. He’s sick of the same walks. He hates the mask I ask him to wear in busy shops. He wants to go to the seaside, or to his cousins house. He wants to go swimming. He’s bored. He misses the library. And gymnastics class. And seeing his aunties dogs.

They sound minimal, like first world problems - but for a kid, with small worlds and limited life experience? These are WHOLE world problems.

My DS is a kid who has been shielded from the news, who is socialising at nursery, has enough to eat and a warm home, toys and books and daily country walks at weekends... and HE is absolutely at the end of his tether.

I dread to think how the many many less fortunate kids than mine are doing. The sort of kids that me and my sister were 30 years ago... so I can well imagine, but try hard not to.

Your blasé attitude shows nothing but your relative privilege.[/quote]
Snide comments to your post are unreasonable , you don't sound dramatic , just stating facts .
I can see a big difference in my youngest child's moods this time compared to 1st lockdown.
Just because others have worse worries /problems the points you make are valid.
I am very concerned for the future and for those who have lost so much , but ultimately my child and their welfare is my priority too.

@Hoiking

I never started following the rules, makes it easier when they reach the point of it being illegal to hug your mum.

My mum isn't alive but if she was I'd be saying the same. We've always hugged friends and in-laws when we were allowed to see them.

@redcarbluecar

You can only break rules if other people are happy to break them with you, so she’ll probably be quite limited in that sense. She’s perhaps just trying to shift her mindset a bit to ease her MH. Think a lot of people are really struggling at the moment.

I don't think she will be as limited as you think. My two closest friends were happy to meet up (indoors) when we weren't allowed in December.

@TinyTinaTriesAgain

But the thing is we've been told for almost a year now if we follow the rules then we'll be out of this mess quicker. But that doesn't seem to be the case - Boris intimated just last week that these restrictions could go on until the summer. People are fed up of this government's incompetence and lies so I don't blame people for having enough.

@CeibaTree Has the idea that people NOT following the rules being the reason not come into your head?

I usually keep of this part of MN as it annoys the hell out of me.

I am totally sick of posters saying they ARE breaking the rules (as shown here today) OR they are going to, OR they know people who are.

Then folks like you come along and ask why lockdown isn't working.

It's not working because too many selfish people are ignoring the rules.

I don't care if those people who break the rules die.

I do care about people like me who have followed the rules to the letter and who have elderly parents who I can't see, and won't see in case I am asymptomatic and they die because of my actions.

I do care about people dying from cancer because they can't get operations as the drs are looking after people with Covid or there are now beds.

I do despair that people can't dig dep enough into their own emotional resources to stick to the rules and protect the rest of society.

Some people don't have emotional resources, or the tools to cope when we were already struggling with mental illness pre-covid. The thing with mental health is you can't just logic your way out of it.

The other thing I can't stand is how people can't have reasonable disagreements between intelligent adults on this topic, if you don't agree you're "hard of thinking". I know I'm not hard of thinking. Empathy? Well, I've always struggled with that one being autistic, but I don't think saying rule breakers deserve to die as someone did early on in this thread is also very empathetic. I haven't broken the rules even when I've been suicidal and sobbing down the phone to an overworked GP, but I can see why people for all sorts of reasons have run out of mental reserves and have reached breaking point.

& I was worried about this virus back when the high status opinion was "the REAL virus is racism", so.

She won't be the only one. The government are under intense scrutiny regarding their 12 week interval between vaccines. They've spent weeks defending it and now it seems there are a number of medical experts who have announced their concern. Especially as the UK seems to be on their own with this policy.
If they change their policy now and revert to a 6 week interval, I'm afraid any confidence the public has in them will be gone. And once that happens, I imagine it'll be very difficult to encourage the public to follow the Government through this. It's no coincidence that compliance in the first lockdown drastically reduced after the Dominic Cummings saga.

The endless ratcheting up pf fear by the gvt is not working any more people have had enough of the endless propaganda about ‘mutant strains etc’ and they have list credibility.

@Covidcovid

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

Good for her!

The endless ratcheting up pf fear by the gvt is not working any more people have had enough of the endless propaganda about ‘mutant strains etc’ and they have list credibility.

Yesterday’s little performance was particularly transparent.

They lost a lot of people there.

I cba to answer that question. It's pointless

LOL. Useless because you don't like the answer. Also, the NHS has been overwhelmed many times over the last few years due to seasonal flu, not just come close...

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

I am in a prolonged lockdown because of rule breakers.

No, you're not. You're in a prolonged lockdown because the virus is doing what viruses do.

You don't even need to be a virologist to see this. Precedent has revealed it's following precisely the same pattern as other pandemics, from outbreak to the acceleration phase, inflection point, deacceleration phase and eventual ending. And infection rates oscillate at particular times of the year, the current time being the optimum for rates of infection. You only need look at the way flu viruses behave to verify as much.

The fact that Ms Felicia Flouter at No. 47 committed the outrageous crime of going to the garden centre has no bearing as to whether you remain under house-arrest for a further few weeks or not. Pandora's box was always going to be open once infections had passed the critical rate. That's now long since passed, and no extent of lockdown is going to re-close it.

Excellent post. I don't understand why anyone thought that a lockdown would ever do any good. All it's done is weaken the health of the population to make us even more susceptible to the winter wave.

So many complacent entitled ninnies. 10 months in.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

I am in a prolonged lockdown because of rule breakers.

No, you're not. You're in a prolonged lockdown because the virus is doing what viruses do.

You don't even need to be a virologist to see this. Precedent has revealed it's following precisely the same pattern as other pandemics, from outbreak to the acceleration phase, inflection point, deacceleration phase and eventual ending. And infection rates oscillate at particular times of the year, the current time being the optimum for rates of infection. You only need look at the way flu viruses behave to verify as much.

The fact that Ms Felicia Flouter at No. 47 committed the outrageous crime of going to the garden centre has no bearing as to whether you remain under house-arrest for a further few weeks or not. Pandora's box was always going to be open once infections had passed the critical rate. That's now long since passed, and no extent of lockdown is going to re-close it.

Excellent post.

My twins are turning 1 next week. We are having a tea party and every member of our family and our friends are all invited. It's their choice then if they want to break the rules and join us or not. Mostly everyone is coming. I will not be banned from hugging my family for anyone

*MarieIVanArkleStinks
I am in a prolonged lockdown because of rule breakers.

No, you're not. You're in a prolonged lockdown because the virus is doing what viruses do.

You don't even need to be a virologist to see this. Precedent has revealed it's following precisely the same pattern as other pandemics, from outbreak to the acceleration phase, inflection point, deacceleration phase and eventual ending. And infection rates oscillate at particular times of the year, the current time being the optimum for rates of infection. You only need look at the way flu viruses behave to verify as much.

The fact that Ms Felicia Flouter at No. 47 committed the outrageous crime of going to the garden centre has no bearing as to whether you remain under house-arrest for a further few weeks or not. Pandora's box was always going to be open once infections had passed the critical rate. That's now long since passed, and no extent of lockdown is going to re-close it.

This. I can’t believe the dementors are still throwing around the “you going to the shops is keeping us in lockdown” spiel. Are they really so unable to do some research and think for themselves rather than just echoing the scaremongering tactics of the government?

We are still seeing the effects of Christmas/new year mixing. This will start to go down (it already is) as we move away from that and the weather gets warmer. It was always going to be bad in winter - look at any other virus/flu. The vaccine will hopefully accelerate the drop in numbers.

Will some posters please just calm down? Everyone does not share your limited view of the world and can actually empathise with people going to visit their mum. You don’t want to do it, that’s fine. I can’t believe the “these people are so dumb, evil, selfish” rhetoric. So glad I don’t know anyone like this in real life.

My ds has just gone to meet 2 friends for a snowball fight - I hope he has a great time - he’s been getting really angry and frustrated and I’m not going to sit and watch him spiral when something as simple as a meeting outside with a couple of mates will bring him some much needed joy.

Maybe she's had enough of not seeing her parents in light of the fact her mum was so ill. That doesn't change the fact she could end up giving it to her dad though.

I think I'd just be inclined to say "well, I disagree with you" and say you don't want to talk about it. I just find people like that too draining.

@MarieIVanArkleStinks

I am in a prolonged lockdown because of rule breakers.

No, you're not. You're in a prolonged lockdown because the virus is doing what viruses do.

You don't even need to be a virologist to see this. Precedent has revealed it's following precisely the same pattern as other pandemics, from outbreak to the acceleration phase, inflection point, deacceleration phase and eventual ending. And infection rates oscillate at particular times of the year, the current time being the optimum for rates of infection. You only need look at the way flu viruses behave to verify as much.

The fact that Ms Felicia Flouter at No. 47 committed the outrageous crime of going to the garden centre has no bearing as to whether you remain under house-arrest for a further few weeks or not. Pandora's box was always going to be open once infections had passed the critical rate. That's now long since passed, and no extent of lockdown is going to re-close it.

Most common sense post on the thread. Thank you @MarieIVanArkleStinks.

Mid March (I guess Mothers Day) will be floodgates opening. Many elderly relatives who’ve had one dose (yes I know this isn’t enough protection) are desperate to see grandchildren etc and will take risk. I can’t see many abiding by the no mixing rule beyond Mid March.

@midgebabe

Friend saying

I don't care if other people die
I don't care if the economy collapses because my actions mean that lockdown is extended
I don't care if we lose the NHS

And she's your friend?

This reminds me of when people say they love animals but will still eat meat. It makes no sense to me as a vegan, but I can't extrapolate from that that they actually hate animals and wish them to die horrible deaths.

There’s only so much people can sacrifice for strangers to the detriment of the chance to see and be with their own close family. It’s frankly disgusting that it’s illegal to see your own parents or children in the first place.

It's disgusting that it needs to be.

The dad hasn't had it. I still wouldn't want to risk it, unless OP's friend never leaves the house at all.

@EssentialHummus

She won’t be the only one I imagine. Some people are bored, some are at the end of their tethers, some have a poor understanding of risk. I can understand the “Fuck it, if I die I die” approach, I can see how people get there.

That’s the whole point of lockdown though, to protect others as well as yourself. So it’s not just a case of “Fuck it, if I die I die”, it means you are also saying “Fuck it, I don’t care if I infect my loved ones or the stranger in the supermarket”. It’s this selfish attitude that will keep us all in lockdown for longer and longer. Sadly, this is what the government are up against.

I visited my mum over Christmas, I made the choice and we both caught Covid. Luckily, neither one of us required hospital treatment but it was/ is awful and I’m still suffering with fatigue. If you decide to break restrictions then fine, but then don’t complain if you or your loved one gets infected or worse because of that choice.