Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

I am sure household mixing has a very much higher risk of transmission than supermarkets where there are restrictions in place. Bring in the possibility of spread from school children and mixing with family is very risky.

But given I can help my child right now by letting him play with a friend, clearly that’s a more rational course of action for me than relying on hundreds of thousands of others to act for the collective good, which I have no control over.

No because you have no rational basis for assuming everyone is going to do the same, it's a convenient excuse and I think you know it.

@Backbee

I do think there is a time limit on compliance to not being able to see family etc, the government has had nearly a year of people's lives; forced many businesses into insolvency, families into poverty, peoples mental health in tatters, those who need healthcare for other reasons to be neglected and some die. They have had time, they have fucked up at nearly every point and it's a disgrace. I blame them more than Doris next door who misses her family.

Sums it up . My thoughts entirely.

@midgebabe

Makes me feel that I want to be better than other people

May not be nice but anything to make this living hell easier

I respect your honesty.

@Pepperxo
@Remmy123

I'm always encouraged to read posts like yours on these threads. I don't think Mumsnet reflects reality and it seems most people are still seeing family as normal. Good on them.

@Remmy123

I don't blame her.

I've been seeing my mum and brother throughout... there was NO way I'd ever stop them seeing me or their grandkids/nieces .

We are all fine.

I'm sorry but keeping people away from thier parents is wrong. Just as likely / more likely to pick it up in a supermarket.

I think that's really bad, tbh @Remmy123

I've not seen my elderly parents for 4 months.

They live too far away for a start and hotels are closed.

Your opinion you are just as likely to pick up the virus in the shops is wrong. It's not borne out by the science.

You do realise that people like you, who may spread it, make it impossible for people like me, who don't want to risk having it and passing it onto elderly parents?

So your 'gain' is in fact my loss.

It’s not surprising, people are at the end of the tethers. Some would argue they would rather not live than live isolated like this for gif knows how much longer. Can’t blame folk

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@Remmy123

I'm always encouraged to read posts like yours on these threads. I don't think Mumsnet reflects reality and it seems most people are still seeing family as normal. Good on them. [/quote]
MN reflects the unreality for me.

I don't know of any friends or neighbours who are rule breaking.

In fact most of them are going over and above the rules to keep their parents safe.

I am keeping off the Covid threads here as they just anger me.

I've abided by the rules as have all my family.

I am in a prolonged lockdown because of rule breakers.

I also know of friends and family whose operations are delayed and they are in great pain.

To add- there’s been a huge focus on MH in recent years and people are coming forward dating how this is affecting and damaging their MH, yet it’s just dismissed. The irony....

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I can understand why. She is prioritising her mental health over risks.

Her health over the risk to herself and others from Covid - its only what the non mask wearers have been doing all along.

I think there will be a lot of people who will overtly or covertly start breaching lockdown to keep their sanity and maybe their relationships in tact.

Well, let's hope her mother survives her daughter's decision.

But the thing is we've been told for almost a year now if we follow the rules then we'll be out of this mess quicker. But that doesn't seem to be the case

I don't think anyone assumed things would get better over winter? Vaccinations are happening, cases will start to drop anyway when we get out of flu/cold season, of course things will get better. And a lot more quickly if we are all careful.

Quicker does not mean now

For most people of all ages the joy has been sucked out of their lives and they are sick of it.
They aren't selfish they are real people trying to make the most out of their lives.
Only the hair shirt fun police brigade seem to be actually enjoying all this bollocks.
Stay home/stay safe/don't you go breaking the rules now.
Honestly give them a sadist badge and let us get on with our lives.
We're not meant to be this compliant, it's unhealthy and depressing.

@lockeddownandcrazy

I can understand why. She is prioritising her mental health over risks.

Her health over the risk to herself and others from Covid - its only what the non mask wearers have been doing all along.

I think there will be a lot of people who will overtly or covertly start breaching lockdown to keep their sanity and maybe their relationships in tact.

And the more people who do that the more people wil die, the more young people will be left with life changing problems the longer schools will be shut the more damaged the nhs and economy and our children will be

Is it really in anyone's best interest to do that ?

Can people only think about themselves now?

Well, let's hope her mother survives her daughter's decision

Presumably she would not visit her mother against her will.

I only see my best friend in her 20s who doesn't see other relatives either, I don't understand why that's so evil.
By the way I work in an inpatient setting Assessment and treatment unit for people with complex LD, I can wear all the PPE in the world but my patients want human contact sensory massage they don't understand social distancing and crave human touch. so I'd say going to work is much more risky for me but I go because they are my patients and I deeply do care even it means catching covid which I probably already caught at the very beginning of the pandemic .

I am in a prolonged lockdown because of rule breakers.

No, you're not. You're in a prolonged lockdown because the virus is doing what viruses do.

You don't even need to be a virologist to see this. Precedent has revealed it's following precisely the same pattern as other pandemics, from outbreak to the acceleration phase, inflection point, deacceleration phase and eventual ending. And infection rates oscillate at particular times of the year, the current time being the optimum for rates of infection. You only need look at the way flu viruses behave to verify as much.

The fact that Ms Felicia Flouter at No. 47 committed the outrageous crime of going to the garden centre has no bearing as to whether you remain under house-arrest for a further few weeks or not. Pandora's box was always going to be open once infections had passed the critical rate. That's now long since passed, and no extent of lockdown is going to re-close it.

@midgebabe "........Can people only think about themselves now?"

Like the non mask wearers you mean 'Sorry it affects my mental health so I wont wear one, stuff the people I could be spreading it to'

Pretty much the same as breaking any other lockdown rule except for the legal technicality, so if that is not your worry then exactly the same.

Well, let's hope her mother survives her daughter's decision.

The mother will be vaccinated soon?

Only the hair shirt fun police brigade seem to be actually enjoying all this bollocks.

You have a point. I sincerely believe the Neighbourhood Prefects will be sorry when all this is over and there'll be less call for catastrophising or issuing their magisterial-toned rebukes. 'Don't you know there is a 'Glooooobal [sic] Pandemic?'

As if people hadn't already apprehended as much.

It's pretty clear that the countries who have tried to balance have failed , whilst the countries that didn't let up their first lockdown till elimination are doing a lot better

I would find it hard to be friends with someone that selfish, I'd just ignore her

interestingly, I am becoming more concerned about what the current climate is doing to divide and antagonise people more so than the virus and restrictions themselves.

I take no sides in this, and can at least empathise with many different viewpoints, but I do sense something disturbing in the way which we (collectively) are communicating over this, a sort of medieval intolerance and an unhinged fury.

This is the sort of climate where bad things happen, if you cast an eye over history. When morale is this low, when populations are this torn.....bad things have happened. Prejudice, scapegoating, etc. People are pretty much flying in all directions, and those who seek to manipulate at such times have an open playing field.

It really is good to get some rest from reading about the situation.

I don't think it's true that the reason we're in this situation is people breaking the rules when all kinds of non essential businesses remain open - why are all the local estate agents open when surely they could work from home? People were getting outraged on Twitter over pictures of crowded tube carriages at rush hour but presumably the people on those trains weren't going to work - often in poorly ventilated buildings - just for the fun of it. I think it's far easier for the government to get us to blame each other than for them to admit their reluctance to pay people to isolate etc might have been costing lives. And some of this is very striking when you look at Yougov surveys in which huge percentages of people state that they've been following the rules but they don't think the general public have when they clearly can't all be right.