Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

Once it's sunny I intend to meet with friends outside regardless of restrictions. I have a tiny baby and my mental health is absolutely shagged.

I've just got back from Tesco after doing a shop that will last 10 days alone. There were families and couples milling about like it was a day trip. I don't blame her tbh - if you can't beat them join them. The lockdown is anything about stopping people catching the virus it's to stop our decimated NHS becoming overwhelmed. I worry that if we continue to accept these restrictions this will become a regular winter thing every time the NHS is at critical capacity.

I do wish people would stop posting fake news about Italy.
The hospitality industry is protesting (verbally, with a few placards here and there) that their opening hours are restricted and, in the case of the ski resorts aren't opening.
Italy is currently in zones. Restrictions, curfews, opening hours curtailed.
Nobody is rioting.
Schools are gradually reopening.
Masks are worn.
We eat pasta.
Blablabla.

'get that people are upset but working in the NHS I've seen so many people who have lost their adult children to covid and whole families devastated by loss I think this is mad. We're nearly there now. There is a mass vaccination programme going on, I'm working in the hospital in the week, doing vaccinations on my days off - by summer we're going to be almost there. If people suddenly decide they refuse to be locked down any more it's going to put the whole thing back by months because more hospital admission s mean less of us will be available to do vaccinations.'

This with bells on. Get your heads out of the sand and do your bit.

@Thewinterofdiscontent

I’ve spent a great deal of time in ITU and HDU and many other initialled settings. My desire to ensure the very best future for our children didn’t fade. They need a childhood to develop properly. Playing isn’t done optional extra, it’s how we develop. This path will break the NHS in a million ways as they don’t have the capacity or ability to undo the damage. That causes my heart to break: our choice to break children rather than face disease.

Loads of children grow up in remote and isolated communities. They don’t all suffer from mental health issues, they know how to play. It’s a not even been a year and a good few months in the summer had restrictions lifted.
The vaccine is being dished out at an incredible rate.
They’re hardly going to lose their childhood with 18 months of clubs being closed.

Have you actually read about what’s happening to children’s mental health and development? Have a look further than Mumsnet and you might be a bit less dismissive.

If you are going to flout the rules@BonnieDundee, maybe just say so rather than using the daft crossing out?

Not content with the COVID police, we now have posters telling us we shouldnt be using strikethrough. It really is getting stasi- like on here

BooksAreNotEssentialInWales

I’m not a lockdown lover! Jeez, as far from that as you can get.

My husband hasn’t left the house since Feb 2020 barring appointments (he’s 61, works full time at home), our poor son hasn’t been able to go to college for the same period to protect dad and, in my mid fifties and fit, I’m entoombed too barring late night walks in the pissing rain when most people stay home. I can’t see our daughter or cuddle our first grandchild born last summer.

I agree with you, the vaccine will get us out of this, our family is pinning every hope on it. Until then, though, with the new more easily transmissible variant, people who decide they don’t have to abide by necessary restrictions WILL prolong this god awful half life.

Nothing wrong with any of this, but they are all rooted in self interest. People should reflect on their own motivations when calling others selfish.

That's rubbish. The majority of people who are following the rules are not themselves in danger of dying. Why is it so hard to believe that not everybody is only in it for themselves? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

@Bagelsandbrie

I have found that the people who’ve had relatives or friends who’ve had Covid and recovered are actually the worst for this. Which is ironic as like you say if there wasn’t the NHS capacity to treat those people they would have died. But unfortunately people seem to take them recovering as a sign that everyone is over reacting. It’s so selfish.

The thing is I know lots of people who have had Covid ranging in age from 22 - 84 and none of them have needed any help from NHS other than actually going for a test. Then they have stayed at home and got over it. So it’s hard when you see the effects on people’s MH and people losing jobs.

Because these are not where the infections are coming from. It is in hospitals, care homes, workplaces, shops

And where do you think the people breaking rules have also been?
I know of one neighbour in one of the examples who gave Covid to her Dad after meeting for coffee at friend's house - friend had Covid but asymptomatic. Her Dad now on a ventilator. So, her Dad caught it because she broke the law.

I heard an interesting view on the impact of lockdown on mental health on the radio yesterday. The woman speaking, an expert on mental health (sorry, I don't remember her name) said that whilst there are consequences to mental health from lockdown, there would also have been great consequences to mental health if we hadn't locked down and many more people had lost their lives or become very ill. The effect on mental health caused by bereavement can not be dismissed. Her point was that the impact of covid on our lives is huge regardless of actions taken and we need to be mindful of that.

@Cadoo

I've just got back from Tesco after doing a shop that will last 10 days alone. There were families and couples milling about like it was a day trip. I don't blame her tbh - if you can't beat them join them. The lockdown is anything about stopping people catching the virus it's to stop our decimated NHS becoming overwhelmed. I worry that if we continue to accept these restrictions this will become a regular winter thing every time the NHS is at critical capacity.

People are idiots.

And Tesco ought to manage it more.

My local supermarket is working on one person in, one person out. No families, no shopping as a couple unless you are disabled.

@Cadoo if you maybe read the figures, the NHS has never been so pushed as it is now.

Get your facts right?

If I did die of Covid (which is vanishingly unlikely as I'm a healthy 40-something) my overwhelming regret and horror would be "and I spent the last year of my life like THIS?" If I'm going to die at least let me have lived first.

But even Priti Patel said the other day that the majority were obeying the rules. I think the scientists were actually surprised in the early days because compliance was higher than expected.

Great move for.the government to use the divide and conquer tactic to cover up for their mishandling of the crisis though. 10/10 for that Boris

'I'm sick and fucking tired about selfish selfish selfish. People are selfish. It's human nature. It's unnatural to care about strangers more than your own kids. '

Oh so all your family and friends are magically immune!! Wtf. You do realise anyone of them could get it and require critical care but as resources are ridiculously stretched your loved ones may well not get the care they need because of selfish arseholes. Yep that inconvenient word selfish again. If the cap fits and all that..

Belladonna12
I didn't say they were all frightened of dying.
My point was that most people have a reason for adopting a position that is based on the cost/benefit to themselves and the people they care for. That is human nature. We are not all altruistic. If we were, there would have been far fewer social problems pre covid.
My issue is with people who class others as selfish for their self interest, without owning their own.
And no, I don't need to feel better about my position, I am comfortable with it, thank you.

Compliance will only further decrease. Yes the virus kills, but you really can't just try to stop natural human nature (we are social beings) for the forseeable future without disasterous health consequenes either. People are suffering. Not "a bit bored". Not "mildly inconvenienced". Suffering. Due to restrictions. We can't carry on like this.

@JovialNickname

If I did die of Covid (which is vanishingly unlikely as I'm a healthy 40-something) my overwhelming regret and horror would be "and I spent the last year of my life like THIS?" If I'm going to die at least let me have lived first.

Everyone I know feels like this. MN is the only place I hear such waffle

@JovialNickname

If I did die of Covid (which is vanishingly unlikely as I'm a healthy 40-something) my overwhelming regret and horror would be "and I spent the last year of my life like THIS?" If I'm going to die at least let me have lived first.

@JovialNickname off you go to bars pubs restaurants theatres cinemas shopping centres. Enjoy yourself. Live you life! Oh wait...🤭

Good for her. Everyone needs to get on with their lives. Good for anyone for biting back.

I think many many people are at breaking point. I have found this lock down much harder than the first. My kids are also finding it harder and I worry for them. They need to be around their friends, their out of school clubs, dance and football where they get physical exercise and participate in team sports. There doesn’t seem an end in sight, I wonder if we will ever get back to the old normal. It’s just work and home and food shopping once a week and endless amounts of tv.

For some this is ok, they don’t socialise a lot anyway, but for my single friends who live alone it’s really really hard and isolating.

So I let people ‘do them’ and I just ‘do me’ and I don’t judge because everyone is fighting battles we know nothing about.

@faerin

Compliance will only further decrease. Yes the virus kills, but you really can't just try to stop natural human nature (we are social beings) for the forseeable future without disasterous health consequenes either. People are suffering. Not "a bit bored". Not "mildly inconvenienced". Suffering. Due to restrictions. We can't carry on like this.

Well exactly. Since when is the only point to life supposed to be stopping people needing hospital treatment. It’s ridiculous.

I can’t believe people are still fucking minimising the mental health effects of lockdown on children. Please - read this thread, look me in the eye and tell me there isn’t a problem. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4143907-Is-anyone-worried-about-their-primary-age-child

I think the biggest divide is between those who are happy to just exist, and those who accept risk as necessary to have quality in life.

I suppose that some are still thinking 'If only everyone just did as they were told, this would be over' - without realising that they are, sadly, deluded (and were from the start).

Usually in life, if you're the one trying to control other's behaviour, then you're not the good one.....

@joystir59

A significant number of people have never paid any heed to the rules from the beginning. They simply won't be told what to do. They aren't having wild parties and are protecting vulnerable family members but they are seeing their loved ones as and when they want to. They are in good mental health because they haven't suffered isolation.

Exactly. On the coronavirus forum and AIBU here on Mumsnet you'd get the impression that everyone is following the rules to the letter. Most people I know are still seeing their families as they please and not paying a blind bit of attention to over the top regulations. They wear masks and "social distance" and all the other nonsense and they are, of course, restricted by businesses being closed. However, they crack on with their lives and see whomever they want to see.