Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse.

I picked this out of your original post - just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean they're stupid or unintelligent. Plenty of intelligent people now take the view that they've had enough and other needs/priorities need to be considered, not just deaths from Covid.

FFS @Wakeupalready please spare us with your hysteria. Where is the encouragement here about rule breaking? Could you give an example?

Eh, it's just people say to help themselves get through, to make it seem like they have control when they don't. It's different from actually breaking lockdown, and she probably never will. I wouldn't worry about it

@GetOffYourHighHorse

There's a recurring theme on mn. All mask refusers have extreme ptsd or conditions that make them incontinent if they use a face cover and all flouters have dc with extreme mh disorders inc self harming.

Of course online nothing can be proven or disproven but anecdotally I would suggest it is the same type of people that exaggerate wildy and use extreme conditions to validate their utterly self centred behaviour.

I apologise to those with actual mh problems but we all know that will be the tiny minority and most are just bored and sick of having their dc under their feet all the time.

There's a theme of people being nasty judgemental arseholes and claiming their attitude is all for the greater good. But you know what? People see through it. We know you don't give a shit about the older generation. We know you don't give a shit about people in icu. We know that you only give a shit about yourselves. YOU don't want covid and if you do get it you're only bothered whether there is a hospital bed for YOU. And you know what? That's totally fine, actually. But own it. Be honest. Don't cry about "everyone's so selfish" on the internet, when you're just as bad yourself, just selfish for different reasons.

I'm sick and fucking tired about selfish selfish selfish. People are selfish. It's human nature. It's unnatural to care about strangers more than your own kids. That's why pretty much nobody does. We obviously all put our own wants and needs first because we're humans and that's what humans do and I don't know why anyone is surprised that after nearly a year of being asked to do something completely unnatural and sacrifice your entire normality for strangers that people are starting to struggle.

only kills less than 1%

@BonnieDundee

Dont blame her. Still playing by the.rules here but some people are absolutely done not that far off it myself

If you are going to flout the rules @BonnieDundee, maybe just say so rather than using the daft crossing out?

Land freight can be monitored. Divert a fraction of the wasted money from the failed track and trace to get everyone tested at the borders. Once the island has eliminated the virus, most of the money can be easily diverted to the borders to keep us safe from external threat of new strains coming.

This country gives up so quickly, no forward thinking, and no preemptive measures. More dithering and messing and big empty promises and big stupid slogans.

RoseAndRose

“I really don't understand why people want to act in ways that will prolong lockdown ...”

Unbelievable, isn’t it.

The thing is people are not compliant in the majority - or I live somewhere that is not tracking the norm. Examples recently:

• let me take your kids to the park with mine,it'll be fine,they need it
• it's ok, we're doing 121 PT in their garden - you can meet 1 person for exercise, right? (Never mind PT seeing another 5 kettle bell sessions that day)
• 2 friends go for social distanced walk... then go for coffee in one of their houses afterwards
• Friends who are "accIdentally" bumping in to each other with multiple groups of 2 people meeting up
• Loads of non urgent journeys to get takeaway coffee
• I've said the kids can meet their friends up the park, they need to see them

All of the above add up and if everyone thinks it's ok then lockdown will persist. I'm struggling but I want lockdown to end, but it won't whilst people bend/break rules. Plus, if it really was a minority, we would not be in the shitshow we are currently in.

@BonnieDundee

Dont blame her. Still playing by the.rules here but some people are absolutely done not that far off it myself

Yep this. The whole thing is ridiculous now and it’s got us nowhere. Once my parents and I are fully vaccinated I’ll be seeing them freely. I appreciate this is still likely to be several months away.

I imagine your friend will do as she pleases, like many others, then blame many others for doung as they pkeased and causing the spread of the virus and the cycle ultimately ends up with blaming the government because they should have ensured everyone followed the guidelines and by not doing this encouraged people to not follow the rules. All the time personal responsibilities are nicely avoided. At least own it if you want to break the rules, some will do minimal breaking that will likely have no impact, others will go to big gatherings , parties that will potentially spread the virus then transfer it into schools and hospitals.
So break rules but stay away from those who don't, have parties keep your kids at home etc. Own your behaviour and don't inflict it on others.

@Tistheseason17

The thing is people are not compliant in the majority - or I live somewhere that is not tracking the norm. Examples recently:

• let me take your kids to the park with mine,it'll be fine,they need it
• it's ok, we're doing 121 PT in their garden - you can meet 1 person for exercise, right? (Never mind PT seeing another 5 kettle bell sessions that day)
• 2 friends go for social distanced walk... then go for coffee in one of their houses afterwards
• Friends who are "accIdentally" bumping in to each other with multiple groups of 2 people meeting up
• Loads of non urgent journeys to get takeaway coffee
• I've said the kids can meet their friends up the park, they need to see them

All of the above add up and if everyone thinks it's ok then lockdown will persist. I'm struggling but I want lockdown to end, but it won't whilst people bend/break rules. Plus, if it really was a minority, we would not be in the shitshow we are currently in.

Because these are not where the infections are coming from. It is in hospitals, care homes, workplaces, shops.

I’ve spent a great deal of time in ITU and HDU and many other initialled settings. My desire to ensure the very best future for our children didn’t fade. They need a childhood to develop properly. Playing isn’t done optional extra, it’s how we develop. This path will break the NHS in a million ways as they don’t have the capacity or ability to undo the damage. That causes my heart to break: our choice to break children rather than face disease.

Loads of children grow up in remote and isolated communities. They don’t all suffer from mental health issues, they know how to play. It’s a not even been a year and a good few months in the summer had restrictions lifted.
The vaccine is being dished out at an incredible rate.
They’re hardly going to lose their childhood with 18 months of clubs being closed.

Plus, if it really was a minority, we would not be in the shitshow we are currently in

As I said earlier in the thread compliance has been consitantly high, not 100% of course, but no one expected that. However, the majority have been following the rules and complying with the guidance.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

"I apologise to those with actual mh problems but we all know that will be the tiny minority and most are just bored and sick of having their dc under their feet all the time."

We all know?! Based on what?! You mean you assume most people are just like you? LOL.

My kids are well aware of why we are doing what we are doing, age 9 and 11. They haven't seen friends outside school since August. Haven't seen anyone outside of the household since mid December. They are sullen and withdrawn. Periods of socialising online results in angry non-co-operative outbursts. Both showing low-level self harm behaviours. Prey tell, what should I be teaching in the way of resilience, I'm all ears oh wise one.

The vast majority of people who want to obey all the rules and want everyone else to, regardless of the cost to them, serm to be coming from one of the following positions:
Terrified they or their family will get ill
Frightened the NHS will be overwhelmed and care won't be available for them or the families should they need it.
Think that compliance now will get it over with so they can resume their lives more quickly
Enjoying the new way of life.

Nothing wrong with any of this, but they are all rooted in self interest. People should reflect on their own motivations when calling others selfish.

@DenisetheMenace

RoseAndRose

“I really don't understand why people want to act in ways that will prolong lockdown ...”

Unbelievable, isn’t it.

I don’t believe for one second that any amount of sacrifice will be enough for lockdown lovers. Nor do I believe that anyone who thinks it will work will ever support unlocking so please don’t tell us if we’re good we’ll be let out sooner. Nonsense. We’ll be let out when vaccines start to reduce numbers and the weather improves or when we stop being able to borrow the insane amounts of money to afford this.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'We may as well get rid of all mental health services if it's as easy as "teaching coping strategies" eh?'

Oh no mental health services are of course vital! My point in context was instead of saying your dc will have playdates and parrot mental heath, try teaching them and explain the need for these restrictions, the importance of caring about how selfish behavior is exacerbating the situation.

The mentality of people that can't tell the difference between bored and frustrated kids and mental health disorders is quite staggering.

Doing what you want is not ok, you shouldn't be doing it and you are making the situation worse.

@GetOffYourHighHorse I think suicide attempts from one's DC are a pretty clear indicator that it's not simply boredom.

How patronising and one dimensional you sound up there on your high horse.

I get that people are upset but working in the NHS I've seen so many people who have lost their adult children to covid and whole families devastated by loss I think this is mad. We're nearly there now. There is a mass vaccination programme going on, I'm working in the hospital in the week, doing vaccinations on my days off - by summer we're going to be almost there.
If people suddenly decide they refuse to be locked down any more it's going to put the whole thing back by months because more hospital admission s mean less of us will be available to do vaccinations.
I certainly do not want to be working on my days off but we are really progressing now and we all have to pull together!

only kills less than 1% (Yes, maybe, but that's with rules in place.)

1% of 65 million is a lot of people.

Also, it's not about deaths. It's about hospital admissions and resources.

This is why the ignorance around this is so shocking.

It's about ALL the people in hospital with Covid. Many of them LIVE through the dedication of the medics.

But when they are in hospital, they are taking up staff, beds and resources that are not then free for people with cancer and other terrible diseases.

I guess the rule breakers don't know anyone with very painful and serious illnesses whose treatment has been on hold for a year?

Or people with tumours that are growing and they will die?

If you are thinking of breaking rules, surely you ought to be asking for help and support to follow them?

Not boasting about non-compliance?

@User2921

The vast majority of people who want to obey all the rules and want everyone else to, regardless of the cost to them, serm to be coming from one of the following positions: Terrified they or their family will get ill Frightened the NHS will be overwhelmed and care won't be available for them or the families should they need it. Think that compliance now will get it over with so they can resume their lives more quickly Enjoying the new way of life.

Nothing wrong with any of this, but they are all rooted in self interest. People should reflect on their own motivations when calling others selfish.

Totally agree with you @User2921.

www.thinkscotland.org/thinkbusiness/articles.html?read_full=14413&s=08

Lockdowns aren't necessarily the best option...

Nothing wrong with any of this, but they are all rooted in self interest. People should reflect on their own motivations when calling others selfish.

Exactly. Great summary.

I can see her point if she's not living with a family or partner.

I overheard a heartbreaking conversation in a take-away queue just after Christmas - a 30 something guy was telling an old friend about his Christmas period and he'd literally seen no-one. He was trying to be positive about it but he sounded broken.

It really brought home to me how badly LD is affecting certain people.

@Shehasadiamondinthesky

I get that people are upset but working in the NHS I've seen so many people who have lost their adult children to covid and whole families devastated by loss I think this is mad. We're nearly there now. There is a mass vaccination programme going on, I'm working in the hospital in the week, doing vaccinations on my days off - by summer we're going to be almost there. If people suddenly decide they refuse to be locked down any more it's going to put the whole thing back by months because more hospital admission s mean less of us will be available to do vaccinations. I certainly do not want to be working on my days off but we are really progressing now and we all have to pull together!

Maybe if we hadn’t just been told there was no end in sight you’d have a point but there’s always some new variant as well as saying vaccines aren’t enough to end lockdown. If it’s a final push until March, fine but we can’t stay like this without an end in sight.