Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

@Thewinterofdiscontent your knowledge if child development is woeful.

There are children born during all this who have never seen, far less played alongside, another child. The brain develops hugely at this stage and these experiences cannot be caught up on later, so the development is not as it should be. There are a huge host of problems being stored up for our children, and that should not be written off.

@JovialNickname

If I did die of Covid (which is vanishingly unlikely as I'm a healthy 40-something) my overwhelming regret and horror would be "and I spent the last year of my life like THIS?" If I'm going to die at least let me have lived first.

You know that currently ICU have 28,30 year olds on life support with no previous medical conditions and healthy right? They aren't filled with 70+ anymore.

I have distanced myself from friends who refuse to follow the rules and doubt they will be friends after.
I am all for supporting mental health, my mum came and stayed with us recently after I had a miscarriage as I was in no shape to look after myself let alone my toddler and my DH had to work he's a KW and leave has been cancelled. But there is a limit and difference between seeking support from one other/a close friend and deciding to meet anyone who will also follow.

Rates in my area have been dropping quickly (over 150/100,000 in 7 days) so thankfully seems most people realise the quickest way out is to follow it!

Boris has been saying we are nearly there and other such shit since last March. This government is expecting too much of its citizens now for an NHS we didn’t fuck up in the first place.

Have you actually read about what’s happening to children’s mental health and development? Have a look further than Mumsnet and you might be a bit less dismissive.

I work with young people and have done so throughout lockdown. I have a child and he has friends. I gave family that all have children.I walk around town and see children and young people in the parks on walks.
I am dismissive because it seems to be parents rather than kids who are feeding this idea of doom and damage.
Of course the children who were already at some risk -deprivation, poor housing, dysfunctional families will feel the impact. Hopefully the fact they have school when others don’t might help. But generally children seem to be getting in with it.

*So, her Dad caught it because she broke the law.

Didn’t her dad also break the law in seeing her?

[quote bookworm14]I can’t believe people are still fucking minimising the mental health effects of lockdown on children. Please - read this thread, look me in the eye and tell me there isn’t a problem. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4143907-Is-anyone-worried-about-their-primary-age-child[/quote]
So how will not following the rules help children suffering from mental health problems? If people break the rules and cases don't go down, schools will stay shut.

@Thewinterofdiscontent

Have you actually read about what’s happening to children’s mental health and development? Have a look further than Mumsnet and you might be a bit less dismissive.

I work with young people and have done so throughout lockdown. I have a child and he has friends. I gave family that all have children.I walk around town and see children and young people in the parks on walks.
I am dismissive because it seems to be parents rather than kids who are feeding this idea of doom and damage.
Of course the children who were already at some risk -deprivation, poor housing, dysfunctional families will feel the impact. Hopefully the fact they have school when others don’t might help. But generally children seem to be getting in with it.

UNICEF’s research of life beyond your doorstep disagrees www.unicef.org.uk/coronavirus-children-in-lockdown/

If I follow the rules to the letter my child is legally banned from seeing a single other child (no siblings). So yes, bending the rules to allow her to meet one friend in the playground does benefit her significantly.

'think the biggest divide is between those who are happy to just exist, and those who accept risk as necessary to have quality in life.'

No the biggest divide is between those who watch and understand the news and see cases are 40k and hospital admissions 4k with tight restrictions and understand they would be much worse without and those who bizarrely think their family just won't get it severely! for reasons they omit to explain.

It's hard, it's miserable we all want to have our normal lives back but you can't just decide to do your own little risk assessments.

You know that currently ICU have 28,30 year olds on life support with no previous medical conditions and healthy right?

People are really bad at numbers. This seems 'big' to most people, so seems and like it justifies everything.

That number is big for the people going through it, and their families, or course.
Statistically though, it's tiny. And no, saying that does not make me heartless, no matter how much of your uncontrolled emotion you want to project onto me.

I'm sure that it's a big deal for the 6000 people per year who are injured badly enough to make the statistics for injuries that occurred by putting on trousers....

@Hoiking

I never started following the rules, makes it easier when they reach the point of it being illegal to hug your mum.

Well, thank you so much.

GetOffYourHighHorse

Agree. Can’t imagine anyone is really happy about this!

And can you please READ the thread I linked. Description after description of children displaying behaviours including anger, fear, mood swings, depression, anxiety, violence, loss of interest in life, sleep problems, appetite changes, physical symptoms like stomach pain. This is not parental projection or snowflake kids lacking resilience. This is real.

If people break the rules and cases don't go down, schools will stay shut.

Me following the rules will not make a blind bit of difference to schools reopening. It requires a collective effort that I have no control over.

Not to mention the teachers unions getting on board. Can’t influence that either.

However I do have the power to alleviate my child’s loneliness right now by letting him play with his friend.

So that is what I’m doing. The thing that’s within my control.

I can understand the “Fuck it, if I die I die” approach, I can see how people get there.

The thing is, I honestly don't care about getting Covid. I'm healthy and in my 20s, the chances of being severely ill are tiny.

What I couldn't live with is going about my normal life and passing the virus to someone who is vulnerable. If me ignoring lockdown meant I didn't have contact with anyone else and put no one at risk, I'd crack on. But I'd worry too much about infecting someone just because I don't give a shit about the rules anymore.

I was talking to a colleague at work this week, she feels the same. She'd rather just catch it and be over with it. Or die if that's what's in store for her. We take 3 PCR tests each week. We haven't maintained any kind of social distancing since September. 200+ people working in close proximity and no one has caught Covid from a colleague in those 4+ months. So a loud 'please remember to get tested before 12:00 today' on the PA system every other day gets tiresome. We can work together but we can't go for lunch, and our work is fully online as we can't have a socially- distanced, masked audience watching our performances.

People are fed up but it's not about me. It's about who else I could be putting at risk.

This is real.

They don’t want to know. They want to be able to dismiss it and have everyone suffer to keep them ‘safe’.

who bizarrely think their family just won't get it severely! for reasons they omit to explain.

I'll explain. There's a 0.05% risk for me and my husband. 0.0005% for the kids. My parents are of course much higher - but they don't need the schools, shops, or pubs to be closed to keep them safe.

@BooksAreNotEssentialInWales seriously you've posted "deprivation, poor housing, dysfunctional families will feel the impact...... but the rest are mostly ok.

Absolute nonsense. Young people without previously dysfunctional families are falling apart- loads of them. If you understand what it's like being a teenager they you'll understand why this has been so hard on them.

A trip to the park won't cut it for these young people.

To suggest they are mostly fine, and those that aren't are from deprived or dysfunctional families is vile.

Turns out the scientists have now come out and said Boris' fear monger speech was bollocks and over reaction...

Which is typical of the whole thing

Bollocks

[quote Chaotic45]@BooksAreNotEssentialInWales seriously you've posted "deprivation, poor housing, dysfunctional families will feel the impact...... but the rest are mostly ok.

Absolute nonsense. Young people without previously dysfunctional families are falling apart- loads of them. If you understand what it's like being a teenager they you'll understand why this has been so hard on them.

A trip to the park won't cut it for these young people.

To suggest they are mostly fine, and those that aren't are from deprived or dysfunctional families is vile.

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Basically she means she is mostly fine so everyone else doesn't count

To be honest i wouldn't judge her. Pretty sick of all this lockdown stuff that's not working myself.

@hexonthebeach ah I see. That makes sense.

[quote WouldBeGood]@Thewinterofdiscontent your knowledge if child development is woeful.

There are children born during all this who have never seen, far less played alongside, another child. The brain develops hugely at this stage and these experiences cannot be caught up on later, so the development is not as it should be. There are a huge host of problems being stored up for our children, and that should not be written off.[/quote]
My knowledge of early years isn’t woeful thanks.
Lockdown happened mid March last year. If they were born into it, the main caregiver is the most important factor in their lives not other children.
Children play alongside each other to start with not together. So we’re really focused on 3 years upwards benefiting from sociability. Luckily nurseries have been open most of the time and primary schools for a lot of it.. Lockdown was massively eased in June and lifted in July until October.
If a child hasn’t seen another child in the whole of last year that’s parental neglect not down to restrictions.

Why is it laughable? I'm doing my best to ignore it by doing what the hell I want despite many places being closed.

Because you're pretending to have control in a situation where you have very little control. Tuff virus does what it wants. The more you do what you want, the more it will do what it wants. And then some of you saying that will be bereaved, or suffering from long Covid, or expensively hospitalised, or bereaved and aware you were the transmission link, and then it won't be funny at all. For any of us.

Me following the rules will not make a blind bit of difference to schools reopening. It requires a collective effort that I have no control over.

Pehaps consider, that if nobody made that excuse it would make a difference. As you say it requires a collective response and if you are one of the people reducing the response you are part of the problem.