Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

'Covid 19 is not Santa Claus. It does not care if you have been naughty or nice. It's a virus that's very good at finding hosts. So this idea that you'd get covid-19 worse because of not following the rules is bonkers.'

Jesus. It's a highly infectious disease so therefore if you ignore restrictions and mix with others you massively increase the risk of transmission and you are contributing to the problem. Well done!

'Bet you tell those suffering with the increased eating disorders and self harming to belt up.'

Err, no But folk should stop wanging on about playdates then say 'rates aren't coming down! blame the government!'

it's the impact on hospitals and those who have to deal with her and all the other people that she may infect that is literally the deadly seriousness of it.

We have to stop making ordinary people who presumably pay their taxes responsible for the health of the nation.

@rookiemere

Covid 19 is not Santa Claus. It does not care if you have been naughty or nice. It's a virus that's very good at finding hosts. So this idea that you'd get covid-19 worse because of not following the rules is bonkers.

Well no that doesn’t work

It’s by meeting others that you will be more likely to get it. Whether you get it worse is different again.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'The NHS is struggling desperately to cope. Doctors and nurses are at the point of exhaustion. There are not enough beds to cope in some areas'

They don't care about other people's mental health and how their reckless actions have a direct impact on others. All they care about is themselves and as long as their kids have playdates.

Teach your dc coping strategies, please don't bring them up to be self-centred rule breakers like their parents.

But you don't care about their mental health do why are you expecting them to care about anyone else's?

We may as well get rid of all mental health services if it's as easy as "teaching coping strategies" eh?

Oh and get this! Most people's coping strategies involve a) other people and b) relaxing activities they enjoy.

Good luck coming up with new coping strategies that only involve the people that live in the same 4 walls as you and not being able to go out.

'To all the people saying they've had enough and are going to do whatever they want, I'd like to see their reactions if they had to spend time in an ITU unit.'

Oh they'd be sobbing in a darkened room days. Conveniently forgetting themselves and every other flouter has contributed to it.

I'd like to see their reactions if they had to spend time in an ITU unit.

Bad things happen to people. It sucks, but it’s life.

I’ve known people under 30 die from RTAs, cancer, meningitis, uncontrolled diabetes. And the major thing that taught me is that life is for living. Not seeing my parents for months and potentially years on end is not something I’m prepared to do.

But you don't care about their mental health do why are you expecting them to care about anyone else's?

Exactly

I haven't knowingly broken any rules but this weekend is the first time I've seriously considered it. When I read yesterday about the group of several hundred people who attended a wedding, and most of them got away with it and suffered no consequences I actually cried. I cried with frustration, anger and just sheer unhappiness that I haven't seen my family in person for months. No Christmas socialising, no sharing of birthday cake, nothing. I just feel like I'm trying to do the right thing but I'm a fool.
I won't do anything differently as I know my social responsibility. But it's very hard to take when others are doing what they like.

New Zealand style covid Border controls should be implemented so we can all go back to what was normal. The nhs is suffering, the economy is suffering , people’s mental health and the children’s education.
This is not sustainable.

I can understand her point of view. A lot of people are at the end of their tether with it. Personally, I stick to most of the rules easily as we don't socialise loads anyway and we both now WFH. But if me and my Mum want to meet we have been (we understand the risks as she is 90 - so about to get the vaccine next week). If my sons want to come home from Uni to see us for the weekend then they do.

My Dad died last month in hospital, went in with cancer, caught CV19 in there. Another family member also went in as he had a heart attack, caught CV19 whilst he was in there. My Mum's close friend also went into a hospital in December for other reasons, caught CV19 in there and passed away. Mum says she'd rather take a chance and see us, she says realistically she hasn't got long left anyway so why spend it in isolation.

Exactly @CovidHalloween lots of flights still coming in from abroad and government is starting to think about quarantine hotels finally.
General public too busy shouting at each other for minor infractions to notice.

@Stellaris22

To all the people saying they've had enough and are going to do whatever they want, I'd like to see their reactions if they had to spend time in an ITU unit.

Like to see your reaction if you business closed and you couldn’t afford your mortgage, or your reaction if your daughter started self harming- there are other issues aside from sodding covid

'We may as well get rid of all mental health services if it's as easy as "teaching coping strategies" eh?'

Oh no mental health services are of course vital! My point in context was instead of saying your dc will have playdates and parrot mental heath, try teaching them and explain the need for these restrictions, the importance of caring about how selfish behavior is exacerbating the situation.

The mentality of people that can't tell the difference between bored and frustrated kids and mental health disorders is quite staggering.

Doing what you want is not ok, you shouldn't be doing it and you are making the situation worse.

@trulydelicious

I think this thread should be reported. It's encouraging non-compliance with the law

I agree completely. I think there have been multiple threads on here that should be reported, or immediately pulled.

I'm going to get colossally reamed here, but at some point Mumsnet needs to pull its head in and stop this.

Freedom of speech encouraging non- compliance and incitement to not comply with the situation the UK is in now , just no. It's morally and ethically wrong for a social media platform to allow it. And it is dangerous.

I've think I've read and seen less misinformation and disinformation in the Murdoch press and on Fox/Sky News about Covid and that's a big call. These threads are like a Covid QAnon and given Mumsnet has over 100 million page views a month, it seems incredibly irresponsible to let this continue.

Any one speaking sense is bullied with these ridiculous scare/fear mongering knee- jerk comments. They aren't doing that. They are telling the truth. The teachers and nurses, scientists etc trying to be heard here and help many posters understand the big picture are shot down in flames, fundamentally called liars and Mumsnet allows it. They need a fact checker yesterday, and better moderation.

I've read one thread whose poster was basically inciting riots, and civil disobedience, this one and multiple similar ones encouraging non compliance and disparaging those who have a grasp of actual facts , blatant ableism, ageism, racism and total stupidity allowed to remain.

I understand a need to vent ,to seek support and that people are struggling badly because the UK government has totally fucked it's pandemic management and failed the population as a result financially, socially and in many other ways, but the sort of expression shown here and one other threads denies the role the public does play, and is not helpful in the slightest from a public health perspective.

I support the principles behind lockdown and understand the rationale but my dd's mental health which has always been precarious has tipped over into suicide ideation - 100% because of lockdown, so frankly I now want it to end.

@rookiemere yes agreed. People are angry with one another because of the state we are in. People’s patience has ran out. We should have adopted the NZ style ages ago. We area an island.

[quote CovidHalloween]@rookiemere yes agreed. People are angry with one another because of the state we are in. People’s patience has ran out. We should have adopted the NZ style ages ago. We area an island.[/quote]
With road freight

@Hoiking: I never started following the rules, makes it easier when they reach the point of it being illegal to hug your mum.

Perhaps it’s this kind of selfishness that has brought us to the point of it being illegal to hug your mum

@Stellaris22

To all the people saying they've had enough and are going to do whatever they want, I'd like to see their reactions if they had to spend time in an ITU unit.

I’ve spent a great deal of time in ITU and HDU and many other initialled settings. My desire to ensure the very best future for our children didn’t fade. They need a childhood to develop properly. Playing isn’t done optional extra, it’s how we develop. This path will break the NHS in a million ways as they don’t have the capacity or ability to undo the damage. That causes my heart to break: our choice to break children rather than face disease.

People are being so selfish and only think of themselves. I’d reconsider your friendship. I find the more people think everyone’s breaking the rules the more they break the rules themselves.

With road freight

And a land border too politically sensitive to close

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'We may as well get rid of all mental health services if it's as easy as "teaching coping strategies" eh?'

Oh no mental health services are of course vital! My point in context was instead of saying your dc will have playdates and parrot mental heath, try teaching them and explain the need for these restrictions, the importance of caring about how selfish behavior is exacerbating the situation.

The mentality of people that can't tell the difference between bored and frustrated kids and mental health disorders is quite staggering.

Doing what you want is not ok, you shouldn't be doing it and you are making the situation worse.

You honestly think people aren't doing that? I can explain to my 4yo until I'm blue in the face it doesn't make him any less miserable.

I'm sorry but you cannot tell people their kids are just bored and frustrated and that they don't have mental health problems because you have no fucking idea whether they do.

You might think you know better but there's no way In hell most parents would trust a nasty stranger on the internet over their own instincts when it comes to their kids and quite frankly why should they.

Dont blame her. Still playing by the.rules here but some people are absolutely done not that far off it myself

There's a recurring theme on mn. All mask refusers have extreme ptsd or conditions that make them incontinent if they use a face cover and all flouters have dc with extreme mh disorders inc self harming.

Of course online nothing can be proven or disproven but anecdotally I would suggest it is the same type of people that exaggerate wildy and use extreme conditions to validate their utterly self centred behaviour.

I apologise to those with actual mh problems but we all know that will be the tiny minority and most are just bored and sick of having their dc under their feet all the time.

I just don’t see any alternative.

Perhaps an effective track, Trace, isolate system rather than locking down a healthy population for months on end for a disease that only kills less than 1 percent of people that catch it.