Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

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She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

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I really don't understand why people want to act in ways that will prolong lockdown, let alone why they would tell everyone that's what they're going to do.

Honestly? You really don’t understand why people want to see their friends and families and have had enough? I think that’s really strange - I can only assume you are a loner introvert who doesn’t care about human interaction.

I agree with not knowing why she is telling people though - I would just do it.

Last year my DD had her 14th birthday at home as her school year had been sent home due to lack of staff. A few days later lockdown was announced.

It is highly likely she will have her 15th in lockdown too. This is truly shit. We couldn't even do anything last year as that was the point at which there was some half arsed policy about washing hands and no sleepovers.

A fecking year, of course people are fed up.

I have empathy for people really struggling with their mental health however, that said the people i know who dont give a shit about sticking to restrictions are generally just selfish bastards. They were self centred wankers pre covid, and they remain the same now.

Its thanks to them and others like them, that my 11 year old DS has had surgery cancelled twice! for a condition that left untreated can cause permanent deafness and meningitis. Whilst waiting for his op he has had 8 ear infections in 6 months, and has constant vile smelling discharge pouring out of his ear for 8 months!. The smell is so strong, that the kids at school have noticed it! .

The people saying others are using mental health as excuse are lost likely the same people the claim autistic children are just naughty.

Much like covid im guessing, until it has effected you personally it can be hard to understand the actions of others.

Yes @TrustTheGeneGenie you are right I was assuming some understanding of comparing like with like. I think people who break the rules are arseholes but I’m sure there are a few who aren’t.

@SchadenfreudePersonified what a ridiculous thing to say- everyone is not suffering in the same way at all.

Some people are suffering way way more than others.

There were other times in my life where I was planning my suicide, even without lockdown there to push me over the edge. I fully support people breaking a law if it's the only thing that will save their life.

I think most people would support them if they are at the stage of planning suicide and I think the law allows for that anyway. I don't think those people would necessarily be dismissing the deaths of others and the mental health of those who were bereaved though. That's really the giveaway that posters quoting "mental health" as a reason to not bother with lockdown are just being selfish rather than truly suffering severe mental health problems..

Of course it is ridiculous to pick an arbitrary date as much as we all want to get back to normality. If we had been told at the beginning of this that pandemics usually last for a few years, and that infections come in waves, we could all have had more realistic expectations. But constantly being told it will be over by (insert your own date) by a government that did not want to take this seriously or accept what they had to do has completely drained peoples motivation. So, understandable your friend feels like this - yes of course. Its still incredibly selfish though.

@SunsetSenora

Of course it is ridiculous to pick an arbitrary date as much as we all want to get back to normality. If we had been told at the beginning of this that pandemics usually last for a few years, and that infections come in waves, we could all have had more realistic expectations. But constantly being told it will be over by (insert your own date) by a government that did not want to take this seriously or accept what they had to do has completely drained peoples motivation. So, understandable your friend feels like this - yes of course. Its still incredibly selfish though.

The CMO etc did say rolling lockdowns

But also if they had mapped out this year in March realistically I would have thought fuck that!

@McFarts

I have empathy for people really struggling with their mental health however, that said the people i know who dont give a shit about sticking to restrictions are generally just selfish bastards. They were self centred wankers pre covid, and they remain the same now.

Its thanks to them and others like them, that my 11 year old DS has had surgery cancelled twice! for a condition that left untreated can cause permanent deafness and meningitis. Whilst waiting for his op he has had 8 ear infections in 6 months, and has constant vile smelling discharge pouring out of his ear for 8 months!. The smell is so strong, that the kids at school have noticed it! .

I'm so sorry and hope that your son gets his surgery soon. It must be very difficult for people whose surgery has been put off knowing people not bothering with guidelines means it goes on and on and on... 🤗

Covid 19 is not Santa Claus. It does not care if you have been naughty or nice. It's a virus that's very good at finding hosts. So this idea that you'd get covid-19 worse because of not following the rules is bonkers.

Given that Patrick Vallance said in yesterday’s briefing that Covid will be around forever, I can well understand people reaching the end of their tether with no clear way out of this. They’ve admitted that even with vaccines, there are no guarantees. People are social animals and there’s only so long they will be able to put up with these kind of restrictions.

I'd love to get back to normal as well and be able to do my fun hobby that can't go ahead, probably be cancelled for another year.

But this will end, even if it doesn't seem like it. The government has handled this appallingly and completely lost any trust people had in them to follow rules.

But we need to be better than wealthy idiots in charge. We need to protect ourselves and others. It's horrible, but we need to be healthy (and alive) to be able to enjoy life again, and with our families and friends.

That won't happen if people give up.

I would imagine that given she had one parent recover from covid and the other not get it all, despite presumably close contact, she perceives the risk to herself and family to be low enough to do this.
The vast majority of people do what they do with their own interests in mind, with a strong correlation between compliance and perceived personal risk/detriment.
You friend probably feels less scared now she has experienced positive outcomes, and is acting accordingly.

I’m letting my child play with his friends. And we’ll be visiting grandparents as normal when they are vaccinated.

This should never have been a long term solution and I think many people will be rebelling in various ways in the near future.

I think a lot of people will have their cut off line about March and April when the flu season naturally ends anyway. People have had enough especially the ones who have been shielding since March and still have caught it. If you remember the first lockdown, suddenly the government opened places up when they started seeing more people out and about where roads were busier, parks and beaches were full.

@rookiemere

Covid 19 is not Santa Claus. It does not care if you have been naughty or nice. It's a virus that's very good at finding hosts. So this idea that you'd get covid-19 worse because of not following the rules is bonkers.

Yep!!

'The NHS is struggling desperately to cope. Doctors and nurses are at the point of exhaustion. There are not enough beds to cope in some areas'

They don't care about other people's mental health and how their reckless actions have a direct impact on others. All they care about is themselves and as long as their kids have playdates.

Teach your dc coping strategies, please don't bring them up to be self-centred rule breakers like their parents.

Let her crack on, OP. As long as she keeps well away from you.

@Hardbackwriter

Of course she should, logically, be grateful for her mum's treatment and want to protect her dad, but people's emotional reactions aren't logical - I can imagine when her mum was very ill she realised how much time with her she'd missed over the last year. As people have said, there isn't actually much she can do (nothing unless others agree) anyway.

This is such. great post.

All they care about is themselves and as long as their kids have playdates vile statement. Bet you tell those suffering with the increased eating disorders and self harming to belt up.

It's not about being naughty children and rebelling, however you justify it.

It's tough, it's hard for everyone so people aren't alone in feeling like this.

I know I'd be devastated if I 'rebelled' and caused family and friends to get ill.

I suspect this has already been said, but I don't really care if she catches it and sits at home and suffers, it's the impact on hospitals and those who have to deal with her and all the other people that she may infect that is literally the deadly seriousness of it.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'The NHS is struggling desperately to cope. Doctors and nurses are at the point of exhaustion. There are not enough beds to cope in some areas'

They don't care about other people's mental health and how their reckless actions have a direct impact on others. All they care about is themselves and as long as their kids have playdates.

Teach your dc coping strategies, please don't bring them up to be self-centred rule breakers like their parents.

@GetOffYourHighHorse here here!!

To all the people saying they've had enough and are going to do whatever they want, I'd like to see their reactions if they had to spend time in an ITU unit.