Friend saying she’s ignoring lock down from the end of the month.

[Covidcovid]

She’s always being very anti lockdown, citing mental health issues, etc and has just said from next week that’s it. She will do what she wants and take any fines.

I assume she just means visiting family because it’s not like she can go out for lunch or shopping. 🤷‍♀️

But I don’t understand her, she’s an intelligent person and an ex nurse. Her mum is currently very unwell in hospital with covid but she posted the other day that her mum has turned a corner and should hopefully be home soon. So surely she should see if it wasn’t for lockdown then there’s a risk people like her mum may not have got the treatment they needed because the hospitals would have likely being overwhelmed?

If it was me I’d be thankful there had been a lockdown because it wouldn’t have taken much more the way things were going for hospitals to not be able to,offer the current level of care......and in ICU even that isn’t optimal care with stretched ratios.

We all know, the virus won't go away but we will be able to deal with it far better once the vaccine is rolled out and the spread is under control.

@tinselearedcow

We all know, the virus won't go away but we will be able to deal with it far better once the vaccine is rolled out and the spread is under control.

Are you sure?

Come on, they've no idea what the future holds on this one.

It's pin the tail on the donkey.

@hexonthebeach I understand am at breaking point too, but I refuse to throw away the work we have all put in at this stage.

It is awful. I'm not that social but I feel completely done in, I'm broke, fat and depressed. Just want to be able to have a coffee/ go to the gym/ have some normality. I'm not breaking the rules but tbh when everyone else starts to I'll more than likely join them.

The irony is that people who decide they don’t want to stick with it anymore, are likely to be those who lose most by their actions. They might get short term gain for long term pain.

If we come out of lockdown when the rates of infection are falling slightly but still very high, the virus will take off again from a very high starting base and after a short period lockdown will happen again. It will be these people who are most likely to lose their jobs and who are moser likely to have ill health that won’t get retreated as the.NHS doesn’t have capacity. But I guess they won’t be able to see this, as perhaps it’s too complex for lots of people to ge their heads round and all they can think about is that they want to see their cousin in the next street or they miss their Mum.

On one level, some people like to make a drama of their sufferings....they are like it all the time, not just in Covid. They like to complain about the school giving their children detention or the way the doctor spoke to them, or about all kinds of other things. They like to say they don’t support the rules and will break them. Covid restrictions make them feel even more like this and to shout about their disagreements and desire to break the rules and that seeing their Mum is their right and they will do it regardless. It is reality that some people can’t see the bigger picture and do t want to and only consider their immediate wants and needs without even thinking of the consequences for themselves into the medium term. This is human nature. And government knows all about it and is trying to deal with it.

@hexonthebeach all pandemics end, it is not going to be like this for ever.

'That's like a mardy teenager blaming their parents for a hangover. Globally, the virus has had a year of people's lives. The government hasn't had anything. Children in China aren't going to school either. This is not a case of the government having something they have always wanted to get their hands on!'

Exactly. Restrictions are global some of course more than others depending on rates.

I wonder why those parroting mental health have so little regard for the mental health of others. Those doing what they should, often those CEV or just struggling with utter fatigue at the whole thing but understanding that restricting mixing is the only way out of this . To read the glib posts, to see so many people not caring about how their behaviour directly impacts others is sickening.

Your friend is a dick. I could understand her wanting to see her mother when she is home as she wouldn't be infectious but deciding to not bother with lockdown at all is pathetic. Ultimately though, the amount she can do in not following lockdown is limited by whether or not she knows other people with a similar attitude.

It's a shame that people with her attitude can't all go live on an island somewhere where they can do what they like, only infect each other and not get any hospital treatment. I wonder how many of them would try to get off the island once they realised it wasn't such a good deal.

[quote tinselearedcow]@hexonthebeach I understand am at breaking point too, but I refuse to throw away the work we have all put in at this stage.[/quote]
I'm all for throwing the towel in on a clearly doomed project, done people really have reached their limit. Sadly you can't repair all mental health issues, they stay for life. It's not about resilience for a lot of people, this way of living causes serious conditions to develop that cannot be calmed with platitudes of hanging on and "spirit of lockdown" nonsense

I don’t think we are quite ready to live with it yet. Yes it will eventually be treated like flu or hopefully more like a cold (if it mutates to a mild version) but we are not there yet. Once the vaccine is rolled out more (and the vaccine can be tweaked like the flu one) and there is no longer carnage in hospitals, then yes we will have to learn to live with it.

@midgebabe

Tens of thousands dying from covid or a few hundred committing suicide....even if suicide rates double, which is higher than the upper limit current estimated by as possible , covid deaths far exceed that

Life is aweful now. But it won't be forever.

Yes but the vast majority of people who die are elderly and have lived a full life... Average age of death from covid in the uk is 82... Life expectancy is 80....

Whereas the majority of suicides are from a much much younger population...

In a hospital if a doctor had to choose to save an 82 year old or a 30 year old both with the same probability of survival they would pick the younger.

Not saying there lives are not worth the same but it's just the way it is.

@lousytypist

There's a very large difference between having had enough of all this and feeling depressed, and googling how many x tablets will kill you and counting what you've got in the house.

The former I did last spring and the latter I did yesterday.

For the "we should all lockdown for another 6 months and stop whining" brigade, I am glad you have the mental, financial or social resources to get you through this but your petty sniping at those who don't shows a deep lack of empathy or appreciation of your own good fortune.

Can I ask specifically what you are you actually unhappy about? Money, work, isolation or whatever. How has your world collapsed? I could have empathy if I knew what it was other people are having problems with. It’s honestly hard to understand somebodies point of view when their own life hasn’t really changed through all this.

In a hospital if a doctor had to choose to save an 82 year old or a 30 year old both with the same probability of survival they would pick the younger.

They won't have exactly the same probability of survival. The doctor would pick the one most likely to leave the ICU alive and that wouldn't necessarily be the 30-year-old.

As others have said

Our lives are like elastic bands.. Right now they are extremely stretched and while we can sustain that for a while... Eventually they will snap... Everyone's life is a different size band tho some big thick ones that can withstand posts of stretch... However others are tiny ones that can take barely any pressure... Its no ones right to te people when there breaking point is!!

It's not just suicides either... Generally mental health issues stay with people for life!

To those saying they will stick to restrictions for as long as necessary... That's utter tosh... If restrictions were still there in 10 years you would not still be adhering to them.

*lots of stretching

@Belladonna12

In a hospital if a doctor had to choose to save an 82 year old or a 30 year old both with the same probability of survival they would pick the younger.

They won't have exactly the same probability of survival. The doctor would pick the one most likely to leave the ICU alive and that wouldn't necessarily be the 30-year-old.

Not necessarily but pretty likely given stats.

'Yes, I often think "mental health" has become a convenient excuse for psychopaths who actually just couldn't care less about anybody. The giveaway is that they also minimise the fact that over hundred thousand people have died in UK and much more could die in the future'

Yes its become a universal catchphrase for doing what they want. I of course have every sympathy for anyone with genuine mental health problems but being bored and missing your family isn't a mental health condition.

Why don't they think of other people, how distressed so many will be who are scared yet read all the 'they can't stop me doing what I want' comments ????

@Covidcovid tell your friend to read this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4130758-DH-just-tested-positive-but-we-have-3-DCs-who-are-clinically-extremely-vulnerable?msgid=103926769

And then tell her to get a grip.

And I’ve got a whole bag of grips for all the other selfish lockdown breakers here too.

[quote tinselearedcow]@hexonthebeach I understand am at breaking point too, but I refuse to throw away the work we have all put in at this stage.[/quote]
But the work has been wasted as we are effectively back at square one. We are actually in a worse position we were in March and these half arsed lockdowns dragging on for months is destroying the mental health of the country and delaying vital non Covid diagnosis and treatments. We were told schools would be the last thing to close this time however this time round garden centres and places of worship are still open whilst parents struggle to work alongside home schooling their children for what could potentially be the end of the school year. The government want us continue like this indefinitely when they’ve screwed up every inch of the way with poor PPE, useless track and trace and opening up too quick the first time. Also leaving our borders open throughout to let anyone in whilst we’re all in lockdown. These constant promises of over by summer, September, normal by Christmas, now moved to Easter are getting tedious and now this wonderful vaccine we’ve all been waiting for every day we’re bombarded with more negativity about them..it won’t stop you catching it, won’t stop you passing it on, even when vaccinated you still need to social distance wear masks etc oh and it may not work against the new variants. We have done 10 months of this now and it feels never ending I’m not surprised and will not judge anyone who stops complying with the rules as people would rather take their chances than live like this indefinitely and I don’t blame them.

Restrictions aren't going to be here in 10 years time! Mask wearing might become the norm when we have colds etc though, that's about the only long term restriction I can see.

And BTW, NHS is not underfunded, it is just awfully badly managed.

There may well be problems with management, but it is definitely underfunded. We spend roughly 2% less of our GDP on health compared to comparable economies like Germany and France. That’s a fact.

OP I broadly agree with you, but I’m sympathetic to your friend. Many have had enough. If her mum’s had Covid there’s very very low risk to her, and it seems sensible to me for your friend to see her. I also wouldn’t blithely dismiss the idea your friend is struggling with her mental health over this. Many are.

@Redrivershore

I doubt the NHS will collapse if people travel 50 miles to go to a deserted National Trust place rather than walk the busy road near their house

Exactly what my great aunt did, stopped at the service station twice for a wee and water twice both ways. Five days later... currently on a cpap at an overstretched hospital, so yeah unless you are not stopping, not involved in an accident, don’t have to use public loo’s you’re pretty much safe.

People get angry at posters who will give it to March then change.

But it’s worth considering what will be done to get businesses and schools open if R is taken up by private mixing. Well let’s hope someone thinking about it.

It’s likely that compliance is high right now. Might change

Average age of death has nothing to do with it

It's the load on the nhs that matters

By focusing on how it's mostly old people who die you are distracting yourself from the real problems

The nhs staff in thier knees treating young people ... they are not doing much for the older people