Where's my thread gone?

[CovidJabToday]

I posted last night about how the vaccine centre I went to yesterday was not well ventilated, tea and coffee given in the waiting area after etc... Sharing of pens.

The thread was going ok, no rudeness or arguments on the thread, just people giving sensible comment. Some with similar experiences, some with better experiences.

Then this morning a thread pops up about 'beware the anti vaxers', dissing my thread and calling it fake.

Now my thread has gone???

Why are we only allowed to give one side of the story on Mumsnet? This is shocking. My post wasnt offensive or anything. All true. How are posters meant tom prove they r genuine?

[time4anothername]

again last night the news was openly showing a very troubling looking vaccination centre. Those delivering literally rubbing shoulders with each other working off a long table where they prepared the jabs and it all in a big room with flimsy dividers between each recipient. No windows open. There have also been some much safer looking centres shown too, e.g. Salisbury cathederal. It's so important to call out the unsafe spaces and report on them.

[Shitzngiggles]

I went to a local GP surgery (not my own) for my jab. It was very well organised, plenty of social distancing, vaccine administered in a room on my own, plenty of room for distancing in the recovery room. All chairs sanitised after being vacated ready for the next person. Not a drop of tea or biscuits in sight. I was very impressed with the whole set up.

[NewspaperTaxis]

@saraclara

Obviously people can choose whether to believe me or not, but I can confirm what the OP said about the specific vaccine centre she mentioned.

I already posted yesterday about going to that same hospital yesterday morning. I wasn't going for a vaccination, but I have spoken to someone who did, and they confirmed the tea and biscuits thing. And having waited 90 minutes in that same hospital for something else, I can confirm that the waiting room for that felt really unsafe. The numbers were supposed to be limited, but it still seemed too many. I hung around in the corridor instead.

I too think that it was ridiculous for MNHQ to claim that it was fake news. They should have simply changed the title of the original OP (which yes, was fear-mongering)

I think at this point saraclara then you and OP might take this to your local MP so they can take it up.
If they are like my MP they won't do anything, however.
So you might apply pressure by a) Copying in a few choice names: the leader of your County Council, for instance, and a few counsellors who are both allies and the political opposition wherever you are.
Suggest you might take it to the local press - but there is an argument for not doing this, of course, if it deters people from getting vaccinated.
Of course, broach it with the vaccination centre - usually run by the leader of the County Council.
My experience is that you can't just email one person who can quietly ignore the complaint, knowing they're the only one you've told - you have to put it in the pipeline so others 'have something on them' if they don't do anything.
You could reference this Mumsnet thread.
But going straight to the press could be counterproductive and put you on the Council's Hitlist for retaliation (why is Hitlist capitalised?! on autocorrect) because very often I've found that's how they operate. Could even justify it by saying you're some kind of antivaxxer which you're not, but watch them run with it if you antagonise them.

Good luck.

[NewspaperTaxis]

Just to re-iterate: I don't suggest you take it to the local press, and if mentioning phrase it carefully, sort of 'someone might be tempted to make this a story in the local press' like it won't be you, as if you and the recipient of your email are on the same side.

[time4anothername]

yes, definitely not for the press. I think each area will have its own vaccine lead. The clinical commissioning group would be another route to find them.

[Herja]

So, to clarify, yes, some vaccination centres appear to have unsafe infection control - this is obviously a bit shit. BUT we should not warn people about the unsafe infection control, lest they worry about the unsafe infection control.

Should you be concerned, instead, highlight it to the powers that be, but with care, as they may take legal action against you. More likely, they will just ignore you. But definitely still don't tell anyone else, incase the dodgy practises highlighted cause concern.

Got it. Cracking.

[MilesJuppIsMyBitch]

@Herja

So, to clarify, yes, some vaccination centres appear to have unsafe infection control - this is obviously a bit shit. BUT we should not warn people about the unsafe infection control, lest they worry about the unsafe infection control.

Should you be concerned, instead, highlight it to the powers that be, but with care, as they may take legal action against you. More likely, they will just ignore you. But definitely still don't tell anyone else, incase the dodgy practises highlighted cause concern.

Got it. Cracking.

The snarky tone is marvellous to read as one of the worried people.

OP wrote a shitty, scaremongering, click bait thread title, then an OP which scared the bejesus out of people.

It is not binary. There are ways of communicating which are effective without being sensationalist. Don't be obtuse.

[NewspaperTaxis]

I don't really get the sarcasm Herja though I like the way it's written, it's quite sharp. I probably been a bit verbose but what I've written is clear enough. Contact your MP, and/or the County Council leader and yes, as time4anothername writes, maybe the local CCG group. I can't see how that will lead to legal action.

[CovidJabToday]

Obviously people can choose whether to believe me or not, but I can confirm what the OP said about the specific vaccine centre she mentioned.

I already posted yesterday about going to that same hospital yesterday morning. I wasn't going for a vaccination, but I have spoken to someone who did, and they confirmed the tea and biscuits thing. And having waited 90 minutes in that same hospital for something else, I can confirm that the waiting room for that felt really unsafe. The numbers were supposed to be limited, but it still seemed too many. I hung around in the corridor instead.

I too think that it was ridiculous for MNHQ to claim that it was fake news. They should have simply changed the title of the original OP (which yes, was fear-mongering)

Thanks SaraClara!

I'm so sorry people think my post was fake. It wasn't!

I'm also sorry people.didnt like my title. I've apologised for that. I suppose I thought if I put a boring title no-one would read it. But I've learnt the title was not appropriate and apologised.

The post was genuine. I think the discussion on the thread was interesting. I feel BIWI and others have their own agenda's at trying to get any post telling a different narrative to their own, taken down. Sad really.

I think it's helpful.for people to know there are some good vaccine centres out there, but also some where we need to be careful - take own pens, don't drink the tea and coffee etc..

[CovidJabToday]

OP wrote a shitty, scaremongering, click bait thread title, then an OP which scared the bejesus out of people.

No I didn't. I wrote a balanced description of my experience at a vaccine centre where social distancing was poor, there was no ventilation and tea and coffee were offered for people to drink without wearing their masks.

I don't think I scared the 'bejesus' out of people. I let people know what had happened in one vaccine centre and some people.found this helpful so they can take precautions when they get their vaccine, and so they can advise others to be careful too.

I also don't sweat in posts or have a username which includes the word 'bitch' as your does MilesJupp.

[CovidJabToday]

*swear ! (Not 'sweat' sorry!!! A bit prince Andrew there!!!)

[NewspaperTaxis]

Er, not wishing to poke a hornets' nest - but what was the original title of the thread?

[CovidJabToday]

I'm too embarrassed to say as it didn't go down well! But lesson.learnt! ;)

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NewspaperTaxis

It’s in the comment MN made

[BIWI]

@CovidJabToday

I feel BIWI and others have their own agenda's at trying to get any post telling a different narrative to their own, taken down. Sad really

Yes. I've made it quite clear what my agenda is! It isn't about 'a different narrative to my own' it's about people who seek to undermine confidence in the vaccine process and/or the vaccine itself, which is what your post was all about.

If you think that's sad, then shame on you. As someone who works for the NHS you should know better.

[Elephant4]

The fact that Mumsnet is censoring - makes me come here less and less these days.

They've deleted all sorts recently - with no other purpose than to close down debate that fails to meet their agenda.

I read your post OP. It was very interesting. Harmless. Provoked thought and conversation. I have no idea why MNHQ would have deleted it. Other than that perhaps they have been paid by the government to do so.

[Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum]

The subject of OPs post was not the issue. It was the op themself and their butter wouldn't melt ungenuine shyness. Plus the title that people objected too.

Please click the nice new user name too.

Oh and what a surprise a conspiracy theorist supports op

[Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum]

@Elephant4

The fact that Mumsnet is censoring - makes me come here less and less these days.

They've deleted all sorts recently - with no other purpose than to close down debate that fails to meet their agenda.

I read your post OP. It was very interesting. Harmless. Provoked thought and conversation. I have no idea why MNHQ would have deleted it. Other than that perhaps they have been paid by the government to do so.

That is right the government are actually paying everyone that disagrees with you too.

Personally my pay from them is rubbish but I do get to holiday where Elvis is now living.

[MrsFezziwig]

The thought was that if these centres are being manned by volunteers, etc. then they are probably just following similar processes to what they do when they man other things - offer everyone a cup of tea and a biscuit

@InterfectoremVulpes you do realise that the volunteers are (as you state) manning the centres - they don’t actually draw up the protocols for running them? So it’s not like the volunteers have just decided to serve refreshments off their own bat.

[OakSun]

I don’t get why the post was deleted as fake news. It is a concern. This virus is airborne. Hangs around in the air for 3 hours. That’s a lot of people’s breath to walk through.
Disclaimer I absolutely believe in covid, it’s dangers and will be getting my vaccination when called. I just won’t sit in a waiting room with no open windows with other people not 2m apart. And won’t be drinking the coffee!

[MrsFezziwig]

Does anyone know if those being vaccinated at a GPS still have to wait for 15/20 minutes afterwards in case of a reaction?

The article linked upthread I think says that a shorter waiting time of 2 minutes may be long enough (can’t remember if that’s just for the Oxford vaccine though). If that’s the case then I’m sure centres will be streamlining their procedures soon as obviously their aim will be to increase turnover as much as possible, and presumably if they could reduce the time spent inside that would in turn reduce the risk of transmission.

I think they would be better just keeping refreshments available in case of need rather than handing them out to all and sundry.

[SpaghettiSpoons]

@CovidJabToday

*Shutting down opinion unless it’s genuine fake news is dangerous it just adds fuel to the fire.

There’s no rational debate on MN anymore if your thoughts/ideas/options don’t fit with the majority it often ends up in bullying.*

Yes, I'm really shocked (and a bit annoyed) that Mumsnet took my post down. It feels like we are only allowed to post positive experiences. But I didn't have a positive experience so it would be 'fake' and not genuine to say I did.

I agree with this 100%

There was another thread recently about wearing masks in the shops (one of many, I know!!). I wasn't rude or argumentative, simply stated the rules and facts of the country we live in and how our government are dealing with it. Jesus, I got laid into something chronic on here, people complained and MN deleted the post. It was pathetic!

Ironically though, this country is one of the leading countries in the world with the highest vaccine rates and lowest amount of cases and deaths!

So whether these keyboard warriors, MN or even the government like it or not, instead of bitching and whining, perhaps they should watch and learn instead.

I just reminded myself that this forum is nothing more than light entertainment, something I dip into whenever I'm bored or can't sleep, like right now!

[Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum]

@HopeMumsnet

Hi there,
Just to clarify our thinking on that thread. It was reported several times by posters who pointed out that the title was scaremongering and inflammatory (and when we looked, we did agree that it was) and as such was unlikely to have been posted by anyone who worked in the NHS. So it had to go.
The 'Fake News' referred to the subject line, which was "Vaccine Centres Are Hot Houses To Spread Covid" (which of course they are not) rather than the version of events as set out in the opening post.
We are, it goes without saying, sorry if we made the wrong call but unfortunately we can't give the benefit of the doubt to recent members in the way that we might if we can see a longer posting history.
We hope you understand where we are coming from now.

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[Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum]

The above is a post from mumsnet

[donewithitalltodayandxmas]

Surely regarding pen you sanitise before using and after ?thats what I have been doing when we needed to sign into places.
I have sanitiser and wipes in my bag at all times now and have for ages.
Tea/ coffee the taking of off masks to drink is concerning , if inside.
But if you take your own water you will have to remove mask to drink as well