I'm not a denier or anything but this got me thinking

[HoppingOnSteppingStones]

A covid denier in know posted on FB. If there's so many deaths. Why aren't we seeing loads of private ambulances, funerals etc about.
I live very close in fact I can see the local main hospital from my house. And often see the private ambulances leaving the hospital. Haven't seen any in months
My pil live less than 3min on the same road as the crematorium and said they don't see a huge increase in services.

I'm honestly not denying anything. I totally know covid exists etc but that did get me thinking.
And im sure someone has a perfectly logical explanation on here.

@acatcalledjohn

This post by a professor is an interesting insight in to why conspiracy theories stick in people's minds.

Great link. Thank you.

There is a large temporary mortuary at our hospital in another area so you would not be seeing all the extra vehicles. They can also fit in quite a few bodies so each private ambulance may be holding more than you think

About 60,800 of the excess deaths occurred in the first wave, so the deaths that are occurring now (i.e. winter deaths) are actually on a par with a bad flu year.

I would have thought though that some if the 60, 000 excess deaths in March would have possibly succumbed to a winter virus so I feel what we are now experiencing is more than normal winter pressure.

'It's not a bad flu season' - Covid myths debunked with data.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDvHCPcp338

(Video in link is from the Financial Times YouTube channel and is by data journalist John Burn-Murdoch, so it's not just a link to some random crank on the youtubes. )

There is no denying the gravity of the situation.

Please see daily hospital admissions for your region here:
www.covidmessenger.com/hospital-admissions/

And patients on ventilation for your area here:
www.covidmessenger.com/hospital-ventilation/

How would you ‘see funerals’, it’s not like they happen in the street or in the middle of Sainsbury’s?

@carrythecan

About 60,800 of the excess deaths occurred in the first wave, so the deaths that are occurring now (i.e. winter deaths) are actually on a par with a bad flu year.

The first wave ended at around 40,000 covid deaths (excess more because of the lack of testing then, since found to have Covid and added on death certs etc. Since September or so we've had another 50,000 covid deaths. Really not on a par with a flu season at all, and we still have many to go sadly - and this is with lockdown.

Just not comparable.

@Timbucktime

Why call somebody a name just because they have asked a question. I don’t see how they are denying anything simply by asking a question. Please stop with this nasty name calling, everyone is actually entitled to their own option regardless of what the media say. You are allowing them to create a divide in society.

Its called an ad hominem @Timbucktime, and typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue.

Regretfully, it's happened a lot on this thread and isn't helpful.

@HeronLanyon

Op - a quick sort of apology for my 60 denier ‘joke’ earlier. Couldn’t be personal because I don’t know you. Got carried away with how clever I thought the joke was. Apols if you were upset/offended - have never Made such a comment before even where I do think the op might be thick or opaque !

Nice to see. Let's ditch ad hominems and discuss ideas.

I think because this pandemic doesn’t look like a ‘movie pandemic’ some people think that it isn’t really happening.

[quote littleowl1]There is no denying the gravity of the situation.

Please see daily hospital admissions for your region here:
www.covidmessenger.com/hospital-admissions/

And patients on ventilation for your area here:
www.covidmessenger.com/hospital-ventilation/[/quote]

• In England

I work for the fire service and we are constantly helping the ambulance with lifting patients, a lot of deaths. We aren't part of the conspiracy.

Yes and I suggest people watch the report from a hospital on BBC news today. Harrowing stark reality.

@HoppingOnSteppingStones

I am honestly not a conspiracy theorist, denier or whatever. I actually fell asleep last night after posting.

It was just one of those things I read

I know very much covid is real. As I stated.

No? Not any of those things? Just a professional shit stirrer then.

A local funeral director posts on our town's FB page that her work is harrowing at the moment. She is run off her feet. She sounds exhausted.

BIL a funeral director and they are busier than ever they are having the local hospital morgue ringing them at all hours as they don't have the room.

You will always get people say it's nothing more than the flu but unless it's hit your family you don't have a clue my FIL is currently in ICU with COVID he also had to transfer hospital to make room for the new patients coming in as they are at breaking point.

Today saw the highest death toll, and the second time it's exceeded 1440 per day.

Why choose that number as baseline? Because it's the equivalent of one every minute.

@littleowl1 bloody hell 3 it's nearly times higher than March in my area. Thank you for the data

Not sure where the random 3 came from.

Loads and I mean loads of ambulances going along with lights and sirens here in south Wales. Not quite as bad as it was, it was a bit like the start of a disaster movie for a while

I am seeing way more ambulances than normal, usually parked up outside homes.

DH is in the funeral industry. He had 5 covid funerals last week, small NI village where on average he'd have a funeral every other week.

Also the dead aren't taken home for a wake, he doesn't collect the the dead from hospital in a hearse, theres no funeral procession. He collects them in a van you wouldn't look twice at before transferring them.

UK has worst daily Covid death rate in the world, Oxford research shows

www.standard.co.uk/news/health/uk-highest-daily-covid-death-rate-world-oxford-research-b900231.html?