So when the vulnerable are vaccinated the lockdown experiment ends right?

[orientalknife]

Because life cannot go on like this and we are ruining kid's future

ffs not this again

[quote FreshFreesias]@rainbowdashsneeze 👏 I agree.
Lockdown will cause/has caused so many deaths and it’s bizarre nobody cares about this.[/quote]
Most people think that Covid caused 100,000 deaths not lockdown. Treatment delays for other conditions may also need to deaths but again that will be because of Covid overwhelming the NHS not lockdown itself.

I agree, MarshaBradyo, but the PP was referring to those who may still be reluctant to return to work or whatever - and as said, I can't imagine allowances being made for that

@orientalknife
I totally agree with all you have said

Nice to see the op throwing toys out the pram, then doesn't like the answers.

@orientalknife

I know other parents on the brink of breakdown with it all who would let their kids mix indoors. Learning alongside their peers is important too.

Who would stop them? And when breaking point is reached and more and more people crack what then? Masses of people put in jail? See that ending well

That’s fine. You do that. At least if children start mixing that way, us teachers can watch what happens and see whether those children spread the virus between their parents and how much death we’re avoiding.

@Idontbelieveit12

Everyone’s kids are suffering, stop being so selfish, the sooner everyone complies the sooner we get this under control

This. This. This. And a bit more of this.

@Belladonna12

Our DC's mental and physical health will be utterly shot when they're forced to work until they die in order to repay the cost of the lockdowns.

You are sounding a bit hysterical. The effects of lockdown are not going to last for decades. Don't be ridiculous.

How long do you think it will take to pay back close to £400bn?

I expect at least 3 generations.

The first measure to be taken will be to push back state pension age - I anticipate by the time my (as yet theoretical) GDC reach old age, the idea of a state funded retirement will be nothing but a nostalgic memory.

I think a lot of people on the political left are in for an awful shock when they realise the true impact of their hysteria.

We were paying back the Second World War until 2015. It really limited the lives of the war generation who had to work till they dropped living awful lives due v to the huge debt .....oh hang in that's not quite what happened Is it?

@midgebabe

We were paying back the Second World War until 2015. It really limited the lives of the war generation who had to work till they dropped living awful lives due v to the huge debt .....oh hang in that's not quite what happened Is it?

So how do you think we will be back in the black?

It strikes me seeing the same thread over and over again that the most damaging thing for all of these children is parents who can’t manage their response to this crisis and who are railing against their helplessness like overgrown toddlers; raging that ‘someone’ won’t make it all ok however much they scream. It’s sobering.

@wanderings

The government are keeping deathly silent on the damage lockdown is doing: not just to children, but to everybody. Right now, they are waving it aside with “people will die”. The damage will be huge, for too many reasons to list. The cure is in danger of being worse than the disease.

I like the word “experiment”, because in the words of Uncle Andrew from CS Lewis’s The Magician’s Nephew, “can’t you see the whole thing is a great experiment??”. It is an experiment in so far as the situation is unprecedented; not one that was started for its own sake (although I’m not 100% certain of that), but I sense that governments all over the world have seized the opportunity to find out just how much they can micromanage their citizens, and how willingly they go along with this (far too willingly, in my opinion). The government also seems to be enjoying playing with our heads, like toys. 🐻

I do partly agree with this. Children are suffering, school is a life saver for so many children who face abuse at home. The government is keeping quiet on how many daily deaths are not just from covid but from seasonal flu, cancer etc. The suicide rate must have increased!

Vaccinate teachers so that children can go back to school.
I don’t really understand why pensioners are priority when they’re then told they still have to shield . Wouldn’t it be better to vaccinate those who have to go to work, essential staff, etc then pensioners/ vulnerable later.

@PinkTonic

It strikes me seeing the same thread over and over again that the most damaging thing for all of these children is parents who can’t manage their response to this crisis and who are railing against their helplessness like overgrown toddlers; raging that ‘someone’ won’t make it all ok however much they scream. It’s sobering.

got to agree!!

The primary school closures seem to have been based on no real evidence of transmission AFAIK. Almost as if the unions simply pushed and the government couldn't be arsed to argue becaaue every opinion poll since the weird nurse's interview about wards full of kids said that everyone wanted all schools shut. So the government shut them. They're merely giving us what we ask for because we're all too afraid. Anyway, it will of course be beneficial to the NHS to shut schools mainly becaaue parents aren't getting infected. Although I'm starting to wonder how many grandparents are now being set up to care for small children - which would be absolutely disastrous if those children also end up in a childcare "bubble".
There are no easy answers on any side of this debate, and the argument about NHS funding isn't really appropriate right now - they're not going to recruit the 60000 vacancies overnight, are they.
Having said all that, if the hospital numbers go down, and the goalposts change to include long covid as a reason for restrictions, I'm really not sure what happens.

@wanderings

Any evidence for this? (Children's futures ruined) None, but that's only because it hasn't happened YET. The government are masking it (pun intended) by waving the magic money tree at the problem. But it will happen. Eventually, the powers that be are going to play the card of "there's no money left" (and that's probably when Saint Boris will resign, so he can paint himself as the good guy up to that point), and the shit will really hit the fan. Millions will be unemployed, depressed (many of them children or teenagers), there will be massive tax rises for the poor and middle (not for the rich, of course), some people will be dead through suicide. And the moment, the government is trying to distract us from all that with "if we don't destroy your lives take action, people will die". I'm certain there will be a lot of resignations in government just before the aftermath of their hallowed lockdown sets in: they'll just make it somebody else's problem.

While we are imprisoned at home, bored witness, unable to plan anything because we don't know when this indecisive government will next snatch everything away (probably just after telling us it's all OK, like Saint Boris did with the schools), we have oceans of time to brood on the very bleak future which the government is lovingly preparing for us. The government seem unable to contemplate this reality from their privileged positions, but we have plenty of time to do so.

Here here

Agreed!

I also admire your timing. Today was the highest reported number of deaths who people who had a positive Covid test in the last 28 days. The highest ever. But if your little Oliver is desperate to play with William, down the road, then we should euthanase everyone over 60 now. They're selfishly getting in the way of his playtime.

*Vaccinate teachers so that children can go back to school"

None of the vaccines prevent a person catching Covid, nor passing it on.

The only thing the vaccine will do is to reduce the severity of illness in that individual.

A teacher is, by definition, of working age and therefore not likely to suffer serious illness, vaccine or no.

There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding on this point. Vaccinating young people (however worthy their job) is a poor strategy.

Vaccinate teachers so that children can go back to school.

How exactly will vaccinating teachers enable children to go back to school? They are shut because being open increases the transmission.

I don’t really understand why pensioners are priority when they’re then told they still have to shield. Wouldn’t it be better to vaccinate those who have to go to work, essential staff, etc then pensioners/ vulnerable later.

It is because many pensioners will die if not vaccinated whether or not they attempt to shield. There is no way of reducing the risk of catching Covid to zero by shielding.

It is because many pensioners will die if not vaccinated whether or not they attempt to shield. There is no way of reducing the risk of catching Covid to zero by shielding.

It’s more pressure on hospitals rather than dying (although latter is very sad of course).

On vaccination situation when it comes to occupation men are in ICU at higher rate. Might come into thinking. I don’t blame JCVI on not releasing phase for occupation yet.

Have I got this wrong or have you stated that you have been a nurse but we should put kids before NHS staff so you kid can have a play date? If the NHS staff catch it and are admitted or God forbid die, there will be less trained people to then care for the patients? Or do you have a army of nurses hidden somewhere to replace them. All deaths are bad but also losing these experienced staff/doctors is awful. But as long as your kid gets a play date. FFS you don't even have a kid who's exams are being cancelled. Just fucking grow up, people like you are making this crap last a whole lot longer

Doesn’t the op mean after top priority have been vaccinated? Might have misread

Older people have never been told to shield. "Shielding"is for a very narrow and specific range of medical conditions, of which age is not one.

My mum is 60 in around 5 months and is asthmatic and she isn't on the vunerable list even though she has very acute asthma. By the time they vaccinate people in their 50s such as her everyone is going to be out and about killing people such as her.
What I'm saying is that theres more to it than the 4 lots that are being done. There's many people just below 60 that this is easily dangerous to. Wish it was as simple as you say but it isn't clear cut.
Until we are all immunised i don't see a way back to normality.