So when the vulnerable are vaccinated the lockdown experiment ends right?

[orientalknife]

Because life cannot go on like this and we are ruining kid's future

God I hope so.

And for the record i would be very careful mixing your dc. Kids aren't immune to being hospitalised. You are being very selfish. We will never get out of lockdown because of people that can't stick to rules. Maybe you should go tell the families of 1500+dead today how much your little boy needs to socialise and see what response you get. You are the reason we won't get out of this alive.

@midgebabe

Back of the envelope calculation says once the over 50 s plus vulnerables have been done the nhs should be safe. It doesn't need to be everybody.

That's probably after Easter then

The top four group is the over 70s, care home residents and staff, health staff and the CEV.
The over 60s are in group 7...quite a way down the list.

@Pagan101

I'm with you OP, our kids have sacrificed their childhood for long enough. I'll give this another 4 weeks tops and that's my lot. The kids will go play with their friends and cousins, sleepover if everyone is on the same page. And from speaking to friends, family and other parents we are all most certainly on the same page. Enough is enough.

Definitely, my 4y old hugged his friend in the park the other day and you know what. It was lovely and his friends mum is definitely on the same page.

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@orientalknife children lived in flats with abusive parents before COVID. We should not be saying that is ok as along as schools are open. Children should not be living with abusive parents full stop. Why should we be saying it's ok if they have 6 hours of safe time in school 5 days a week.

Did you post/worry about children living with abusive parents in flats before COVID?[/quote]
This!

Whilst there are some children for whom lockdown is damaging this doesn’t mean that children with a perfectly happy life can’t survive without play dates for a while.

DS is an only child but he’s coping fine. Don’t forget they could see friends outside all summer (indoors in some areas) and then they were at school all last term. I don’t feel like 8-12 weeks is that long to cope without play dates.
The more people who can resist mixing the better.

I never had a single sleepover when I was a child (except staying with relatives occasionally). I don’t feel at all damaged by that.

I didn't have a playdate or sleepover when I was a child. I would have liked time off school too.

@Wannabangbang

And for the record i would be very careful mixing your dc. Kids aren't immune to being hospitalised. You are being very selfish. We will never get out of lockdown because of people that can't stick to rules. Maybe you should go tell the families of 1500+dead today how much your little boy needs to socialise and see what response you get. You are the reason we won't get out of this alive.

In Scotland under 12s are not required to socially distance and can go out to play with other children outdoors.

Where does it say op comes from Scotland? No where i can see. It doesn't apply to her. And by the sounds of it this isn't her bubble

@RuleWithAWoodenFoot

Then everyone else is ill for 3 or 4 months. Sounds great.

What rot! As if everyone who gets cv gets ill for 3 or 4 months!

Yep it will, even if the government don't allow it.

Because once all the elderly are vaccinated, they can not justify these lockdowns and their effects any longer, not when most of us will get mild symptoms.

I've stuck to the rules until now. Come May, I'll not be sticking to any if they haven't made any real changes. As you say, we can't live like this forever.

What about the vulnerable children, they can’t be vaccinated

You think the virus gives a fuck what you think?

@cracracatlady

What about the vulnerable children, they can’t be vaccinated

What would you like to happen? Unfortunately most children won’t be able to have the vaccine for a long time, we can’t and won’t stay in lockdown until that happens. The majority of children are very, very low risk.

The average age of someone in ITU with covid is 58, so maybe a relaxation once the over 50s and those with underlying conditions (CV not just ECV) we’ll hopefully see some capacity open up in hospitals.

@PinkDaffodil2

The average age of someone in ITU with covid is 58, so maybe a relaxation once the over 50s and those with underlying conditions (CV not just ECV) we’ll hopefully see some capacity open up in hospitals.

Estimated to have all those groups done by April so hopefully around Easter time then!

It takes several weeks before the vaccine is fully effective after the second dose which is 2 - 12 weeks after the first so definitely not by February!

@cracracatlady

What about the vulnerable children, they can’t be vaccinated

We have no idea. Ds's Dr has no idea. I think, unfortunately, until they approve a vaccine for children, we will have to just hope ds doesn't get it, and hope that, if he does, at least the hospitals won't be in the position they are in at the moment. Ds has been shielding for most of the time from March until now, he obviously can't shield indefinitely, but we are just making decisions with the support of his Dr, as the weeks go on.

@SisyphusDad

You think the virus gives a fuck what you think?

Don't think the virus is a sentient being, do you?

If the vaccine doesn't work properly to provide sterilising immunity, or even to protect people from the ravages of disease, if the NHS keeps being overrun, etc etc.

Then we will have to accept that human power over mortality is limited, the death rate being 100% and all that. We would like all Covid deaths to be preventable. Hell, we would like all death to be preventable! It isn't. We'll have to grow up and find the consolations we can in the amount of life that we're given.

That's more or less what I've been saying all along, hopsalong, but I realise it doesn't chime well with the "vaccines will save us all" thing

Don't get me wrong, I hope they work too ... it's just that I wish a bit more thought was given to how to handle things if they don't

@GypsyLee

The vaccine won't make any difference to transmission and cases though. I did think Easter, but now I'm thinking September before schools are back.

They don't know yet whether the vaccine will affect transmission, but based on almost all previous vaccines it will.

And the number of cases is irrelevant if people are not getting ill from it. A thousand cases a day doesn't matter if 99% of them are mild, which is more likely to be the case when the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated.

@cabbageking

Having the vaccine does not stop you passing it to others.

What figure are they considering as more safe? Who knows!

They don't know this yet.

Hospital cases aren't going to peak for another 2 weeks or so. That takes us into the first week of Feb.

Even if they make the target of Feb 15th, do you think that it will be remotely viable to reopen schools at the very point that hospitals are struggling most?

Think about it.