How are people still catching the virus?

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Numbers are still so high, are people catching it from supermarkets? Does 2 metres apart still stop you catching it? Are you still pretty safe outside if you stay at least 2 metres apart?

When you have a virus that is asymptomatic in 1 and 3 people, it debunks the "I haven't had it" statement that we read time and time again. Unless we are tested every few days, no one can state that.

I have read repeatedly about schools only having a couple of cases since September, but this is the problem. Identified cases yes, but no one can state how many positive cases there have been in school.

Once schools start testing the key worker students and staff (our high school is starting this week) I think the results will be a real eye-opener. In an area which currently has 1 in 45 estimated to be positive - testing over 120 key worker students and 30 staff - well, it is fair to assume that the impact on the staffing and bubbles will be significant. I think many of us will then look back, to the week before end of term, and realise that in a school of over 1800 students and 200 staff, the 2 identified positives we had then, was just a drop in the ocean and many of the positives obviously slipped through the 'asymptomatic' net.

@Swishswish26 read the thread and talk to teachers - schools still open for key workers large amounts of kids still in.

I don't think we can "hide" from something which we are told is everywhere. There will always be people who don't change their lives at all, ie masks etc. So unless we lock them up I don't think we can escape it. There are so many other things to take into consideration too. Suffering from depression this lock down has made me far worse. I don't know how much longer I can stand it. Suicide has rocketed.

@EvilEdna1

People sending their children to school with Covid symptoms be cause they are either ignorant or feel their need for childcare is more important. That's one example of how I have been exposed this week.

I don’t think that this is true. Certainly it’s been spreading through schools. Three of my boys were all attending (different) schools. They went to school when they were positive. I had no idea that they were positive, they showed no symptoms at all - nothing. I only found out that they were positive when I developed a cough. I pulled them out as soon as I had a cough and we all went to a drive through test centre. We were all positive.

I’ll give you an example. Our next door neighbours. He works in an office & is still going to work everyday. She works as a carer. Their children are in two different classes and still going to school. They mix with children of doctors, nurses, shop workers, teachers at other schools. Our other neighbour also sends her child to school as she runs the local nursery. All the children are still attending there.

People bending rules to suit themselves! Neighbour had nephew and his girlfriend in house last night. Know a Labourer with COVID still working and his wife still sees her sister everyday. Can’t trust some people not to be selfish idiots unfortunately

No clue. We haven't been in a supermarket for ages and haven't seen anyone yet somehow we got it. So strange.

I'd be interested to know whether all those breaking the rules by visiting others and so on did so during the first lockdown too? From what I see on my own street compliance does seem a lot lower this time, but honestly I've no way of knowing whether people visiting others near me are bubbled with them or providing care so it's hard to tell.

@yahyahs22

No clue. We haven't been in a supermarket for ages and haven't seen anyone yet somehow we got it. So strange.

Have you been having deliveries of any sort?

@Swishswish26

Secondary schools have been closed for almost four weeks. They only opened to keyworkers on Monday so I really don’t think we can still blame schools. I would guess there is a lot of non-compliance. People aren’t as scared as they were back in March. For the most part, they have seen family and friends catch the virus and recover quickly with only very mild symptoms, if any which is why we now have Whitty telling us to ‘Stay Home’ .

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I have seen so many people out in groups recently, extended families going for a walk, groups of 4 or 5 friends plus their kids, they were outdoors but all walking close together.

Don't know how this has turned into an us4ourselves type thread given the title. Or how unions are to blame for a pandemic and government fuck ups and uturns.

Damn those unions for daring to suggest that workers should have some shred of protection at work and that it wasn't entirely reasonable to keep schools open full time as normal without mitigations given that secondary school age kids infection rate was over 1000 per 100000 and contributing to a massive rise in all age groups across the country.

I mean unions are just evil for such things. Demanding a day off each week and outrageous ideas like not making people work with asbestos without proper safety gear or god forbid wanting sick pay. It's not like idiots turning against unions and no longer joining them has contributed to a culture of zero hours contracts and cleaners for the nhs being sub contracted to companies who don't provide sick pay therefore encouraging cleaners with covid symptoms to go and work cleaning on hospital wards with vulnerable people.

Less unions, that's obviously what workers need

Schools are still open to the children of key workers and vulnerable children and those with a SEND need. In the first lockdown this pretty much meant NHS, food retail workers and if a two parent household...on the days when one parent was at home and the other at work, the children should be at home with that adult doing home learning. Class sizes were as small as 6 or 8 instead of 33. The current criteria have been significantly broadened to include a much greater range of job roles considered 'essential' and the one parent at home/ children home learning relaxed. This means classes are still 2/3 full. Childminders and before and after school clubs still operate delivering children from different schools and classes to multiple local primary schools. Nurseries are still open

So children who are asymptomatic are mixing with each other in close contact without ppe and then taking the virus home. It then circulates round family members and support bubbles exponentially. I believe this is a major contributor to viral spread. The Govt didn't want to close schools but chose to broaden the criteria so much that many schools are just as full as usual.That has been my experience and why I left education after 26 years. I am now furloughed without pay from my new job in retail...but safe.

I also think that we have all forgotten that while we haven't been out our delivery drivers have. A spray of dettol is probably a good idea before we touch any deliveries including Amazon and takeaways and is probably good practice. With rates where they are if you're in London there a high chance the virus is on the boxes and bags. Silly really not to do this - I'm as guilty as anyone of not.

Also schools have been closed but if a teacher or child has the virus the people passing it on now are the people they passed it on to two weeks ago. And there will be a lot more of them. My teacher friend has given me her cold (she's my bubble) and thank god has been tested otherwise I'd be worried it was more. I still have the damn thing too.

@Myshinynewname2021

According to the Times yesterday it's supermarkets followed by schools. There are moves, finally to clamp down on non mask wearing people

Cue all the hysterical screaming about disabilities and being ablist etc. Better that we all die than a disabled person who can't wear a mask not be able to go to the supermarket. And obviously the many many cunts not wearing them all have hidden disabilities and traumas and should never be asked why they are t wearing them.

And here we are with a serious situation now thanks to people deciding they don't need to bother.

So yes. It appears to be supermarkets. And schools. With infections then spreading through households.

Thanks for calling disabled people cunts. In which way is doing so not ableist, incidentally?

I'm sorry to disappoint you but exemptions will still stand, however much they 'clamp down' (the government will be telling supermarkets to remind those without masks to wear one, not telling them to turn people who are exempt away). What do you propose exempt people to do if they can't go to a supermarket or get online delivery slots? Starve? I suppose that's one way of getting rid of all the disabled cunts, isn't it.

People who are exempt aren't just deciding they won't bother. I would love to wear a mask but can't. We're not doing it to spite you or because we think we're special. We just need to eat, go to work and have essential medical care.

@Fabulousdahlink

So children who are asymptomatic are mixing with each other in close contact without ppe and then taking the virus home. It then circulates round family members and support bubbles exponentially. I believe this is a major contributor to viral spread. The Govt didn't want to close schools but chose to broaden the criteria so much that many schools are just as full as usual.That has been my experience and why I left education after 26 years. I am now furloughed without pay from my new job in retail...but safe.

Absolutely. And let's not forget schools are open because parents, including those on MN wanted and needed schools open (ive seen the wailing about children's futures being destroyed etc etc). The govt knew if they closed schools early they would get slaughtered.

But parents know exactly how their children bring diseases home yet chose to believe that wouldn't happen with covid? They know kids aren't social distancing or mask wearing but their parental instincts to let their children do what they want so they are happy override their fear of covid. And now it's serious and they know that children and schools are a huge part of that aided by supermarkets (many taking mask less children who touch everything there too) it's time to shriek that it's the governments fault.

No it's not, actually. And deep down you know that it's just that you can't bear your children being upset and unhappy and that has trumped everything. And now here we all are paying the price.

@yahyahs22

No clue. We haven't been in a supermarket for ages and haven't seen anyone yet somehow we got it. So strange.

You can’t have got it if you haven’t been out and nobody’s been in - you must have been somewhere? Or your kids did? It’s not just supermarkets.

My best friends mum has barely left the house since March So assuming she got it from her husband who is still working. He’s positive but doing ok but she went into ICU last night to be put on a ventilator.

The government could have shit schools and been more strict and enforced mask wearing. And my fucking god I've seen the uproar on here comparing us to Korea when the idea is even mooted.

We can't have it all. Be very unhappy - including our children and follow strict rules and lose jobs snd money and eventually it gets under control. MN blows up and threads are started about Stalinist states, it's only old people, lock all the vulnerable away abc let the young people live their lives, it's ablist to enforce mask wearing and how fucking cruel are those nasty fucking torys

OR live some kind of life and see friends and family because of the reasons above and kids go to school because let's pretend they are immune because it suits us and let's pretend that they can't carry it either.. and end up with one in 20 in London with it (and that's tested people) and similar stars for all but the most remote places. Watch the NHS get destroyed and people die because they can't access health care. And blame the govt for not being strict enough.

Those are your choices people. Pick one.

Shit schools. Ha obviously I meant SHUT schools

@Thefeep

My best friends mum has barely left the house since March So assuming she got it from her husband who is still working. He’s positive but doing ok but she went into ICU last night to be put on a ventilator.

Exactly. The largest firm on transmission BY FAR is households. The largest external source of it into said households is supermarkets and schools. And then when you think a household is often 4 or 5 people more in parts of London and the north it's easy to see how it could spread as each of those 4 or 5 people carries it out into the community.

In sone ways children are WORSE because their symptoms are fewer so they can pass it to more people without anyone knowing. They are the ultimate superspreaders. .

My DH works in a supermarket and we caught it NYE (well when symptoms started) so I think supermarkets are still hot spots