How are people still catching the virus?

[Baileysforchristmas]

Numbers are still so high, are people catching it from supermarkets? Does 2 metres apart still stop you catching it? Are you still pretty safe outside if you stay at least 2 metres apart?

@Baileysforchristmas

I thought all schools are closed accept for key workers?

Nope, in NI our special schools are still open.

I see fewer and fewer people using hand sanitiser when entering shops or other open places. I think the bottle at the door of my Tesco is my own personal bottle, I’m the only person seemingly using it. I use it on the way out too because of this.

I’m still in the March mindset of not touching anything unless I intend to buy it but I see lots of people pawing through the shelves.

I work in close contact with ages 17+ all from different schools (only wearing a cloth mask) and have 2 teenagers. Apart from 1 of my own kids all have had to isolate once or twice since September. None is us have had COVID. Not working now as not essential or keyworker. I felt like I was sailing close to the wind altho I disinfect my work area in between each pupil. I feel unsafe in the supermarket as no one keeps their distance including shop staff and so many selfish people (6ft + burley 30s men) don’t wear masks

Shops are the latest hotspot. They believe the new strain can transfer from surface to surface more easily. I caught it from my 12 year old who caught it from his dad. His dad has worked from home since March and only been out for food shopping. It went straight through our household. Boys were fine - bit tired and sniffles. Me - I am week 4 - fatigue, headaches and muscular pain.

I’ve had people literally walk into me in supermarkets, a lot of people aren’t bothering with social distancing and lots of them also aren’t wearing masks.

Because they virus has up to a 14 day incubation period and then you are infectious for a further 10 days. Figures are 5 days behind too. It’s Christmas that has caused this.

I think essentially the majority of people are not following the rules. A friend of ours had a sleepover for their child, another friend got COVID but was economical with the truth on who she had had contact with so her friends could decide for themselves whether or not to self isolate and as people say shops etc are a free for all. Lots of people who in lockdown #1 worked from home now seem to be back in the work place?.
Our neighbours who are uber self righteous - my children have spotted various people coming and going from their house..
Other neighbours clearly had their adult children to stay over Xmas (these are children with their own families - not living on their own).
So I think lots of people are writing their own rules.
Where we live there are lots of SAHP so schools are only 5-10% full. So I am not blaming schools for the current rates (but then the rates where we live are v low - currently!).

I and four people I work with have been told we are not allowed to work from home, although it’s perfectly possible to do so. If I don’t go to work I don’t get paid, I’m appalled by their attitude and am looking to change jobs as soon as possible. I’m guessing there are many companies that are the same.

munchkinman if this incubation period is correct does that mean we are currently at the peak? And can hope for figures to decline from here?
I felt very left out - we were a family of 4 for Xmas and no visitors..

LifesTooShortForYourNonsense a friend of mine has been told the same. My old employer is a total asshole of a billionaire..

^AJA108

"All this blame for schools and nurseries. It is not them. Where is the proof? Blame it on the kids why doesn't everyone. Primary schools should be open still. Most likely people not following the rules and socialising but not admitting it."^

Children are catching it as much as adults. Young children don't wash their hands as well, they don't distance. Also children are often asymptomatic. Before Christmas, we were sending at least 1 child home a day with symptoms. Parents refused testing, as is their right, so we don't know if they were positive or not. Over half of our staff have tested positive since September and a lot tested positive before the summer break. We all tested before coming back after Christmas, 12 staff members have tested positive. My own DS4 tested positive at the beginning of the Christmas break. Everyone else in our house tested negative. DS2 and DS3 then tested positive having been at home for 2 weeks. I tested negative. The only place DS4 had been was home and school. So where did he catch it?

A friend of mine is a virologist, they said to think of the virus in the air like a stinky fart, you can smell it after it has been expelled through at least two layers of clothes (pants & trousers), and wearing a mask would only lessen, not stop it, reaching your nose, you can still breathe in those stinky particles. It is incredibly virulent.

@Carpedimum

A friend of mine is a virologist, they said to think of the virus in the air like a stinky fart, you can smell it after it has been expelled through at least two layers of clothes (pants & trousers), and wearing a mask would only lessen, not stop it, reaching your nose, you can still breathe in those stinky particles. It is incredibly virulent.

jesus!!!

@LifesTooShortForYourNonsense

I and four people I work with have been told we are not allowed to work from home, although it’s perfectly possible to do so. If I don’t go to work I don’t get paid, I’m appalled by their attitude and am looking to change jobs as soon as possible. I’m guessing there are many companies that are the same.

yep i know of a few people told to come in-boris neds to be tougher all round

People seem to forget that it's a virus its very good at what it does which is transmissions and staying "alive" on surfaces and also in the air.

Masks stop spread of large droplets not the inhilation of small droplets (unless your wearing a ffp3 mask).
Avoid areas with poor ventilation, wipe down packaging and surfaces and wash hands. These are precautions but still not a 100% at preventing you from catching it as like I said it's a virus and very good at what it does unfortunately!

@arthurdaly

DH caught it from work. He was working on a site and the owner was there, the owner had to do a lateral flow test to return to work as a teacher on Monday just gone and tested positive. He had no symptoms. DH had a bit of a cough so booked a test and positive, same for me on Tuesday. If the owner hadn't tested we would never have known and neither would he.

Cough is a main symptom...

@angrysquirrel73

Porcupineintherough you don't think its an obvious piece of data to collect and if thousands of teachers had died of COVID the unions would have found this data by now?

Have you not seen this research, showing rates in teachers up to 333% above average?

www.tes.com/news/exclusive-coronavirus-schools-teacher-covid-rates-333-above-average

SCHOOLS ARE NOT CLOSED! In an area like mine where 1/15 has Covid and classrooms are filled with 15- 20+ 'keyworker' children each day, the virus will be spreading! Basically, anyone who still has a job to go to can send their children to school, those who don't have a quiet area for children to learn can send their children to school,those who have SEN can go to school, those who are vulnerable can go to school, those who do not have internet or a device at home can go to school. Schools are NOT closed- they are still busy and super spreading!

Am I the only one tired of schools being blamed?? My kids school has 500+ pupils and staff and they only had 7 cases in the whole of last year, all in early December. 2 kids and 5 grown ups. A friend works at a different bigger school and they had 3 cases the whole of last year, 1 in March, 2 December. How can schools be the problem??

Because it is known that schools are one of the main vectors driving the spread. There are a number of issues.

Many primary children aren't tested (they often dont show the main 3 symptoms. But also parents are reluctant to test them.)

1 in 3 cases are asymptomatic so people are coming into school with covid and not knowing it. Our secondary did rapid flow testing for yrs 11-13 as part of a national test. 7 children in one tutor group tested positive meaning the year needed to be sent home! Imagine by extention how many families that would spread to -and then onto workplaces/shops as they spread. Yet this wouldn't have been picked up without the extra testing.

Just because your school might not have many cases that isn't the national picture. Also be aware that many schools are just not telling people beyond close contacts of the cases. I realised we were only being told those in our year group...

Have a look on here for some of Nobelgiraffes threads. She explains it very well. Think about what we know about the virus - we are told to wear a mask, stay 2m apart and avoid mixing indoors, especially in unventliated rooms. Schools are doing this with 30kids in a room and then mixing with other children, especially at secondary.

The graphs at the recent press conferences showed that the increase in cases was mainly school children. Again, they will be on Nobel's threads.

It really is quite obvious now. Ask any teacher...

Its all a bit of a shambles really. How can goverments justify how some schools off and some are in, makes no sense. This is never going to end. Lockdown rates fall open up ,rates go up lockdown again.
People are tired now and not complying as much as first lockdown. Perhaps if first lockdown had been total lockdown. Not allowed out except 1 person to do food shop and police and army monitor situation and fine anyone in breach. It might be over like some other countries .
He is a muppet who sends all kids back to school after christmas for them all to mix then wonder why rates are up. There have been some really dire PMs but he is the worst. He has made us the laughing stock of the world and we may start saving because it looks like the Caribbean will be only place we can get in if we even get a summer holiday

My friend just tested positive. He's CV so hasn't even been to a supermarket or corner shop since March. Only time he leaves the house is to walk the dog and he's very mindful of distance. They get online shopping but his partner does occasionally pop to the supermarket- always very careful but that's the only place she's been. Kids school closed a week before Xmas hols and none of them have met anyone outside their household. It's a bit of a mystery tbh but none of the rest of the family displayed any symptoms and tests were negative.

I agree about schools. We had 3 cases in our large school and it didn’t spread in individual classes and no teachers got it.

Meanwhile students are back at some places, and people were off flying all over the place. And you could get your nails done.

I’m utterly sick of the teaching unions. They have behaved shamefully.

@RememberSelfCompassion

Because it is known that schools are one of the main vectors driving the spread. There are a number of issues.

Many primary children aren't tested (they often dont show the main 3 symptoms. But also parents are reluctant to test them.)

1 in 3 cases are asymptomatic so people are coming into school with covid and not knowing it. Our secondary did rapid flow testing for yrs 11-13 as part of a national test. 7 children in one tutor group tested positive meaning the year needed to be sent home! Imagine by extention how many families that would spread to -and then onto workplaces/shops as they spread. Yet this wouldn't have been picked up without the extra testing.

Just because your school might not have many cases that isn't the national picture. Also be aware that many schools are just not telling people beyond close contacts of the cases. I realised we were only being told those in our year group...

Have a look on here for some of Nobelgiraffes threads. She explains it very well. Think about what we know about the virus - we are told to wear a mask, stay 2m apart and avoid mixing indoors, especially in unventliated rooms. Schools are doing this with 30kids in a room and then mixing with other children, especially at secondary.

The graphs at the recent press conferences showed that the increase in cases was mainly school children. Again, they will be on Nobel's threads.

It really is quite obvious now. Ask any teacher...

This.

@Annie1919

SCHOOLS ARE NOT CLOSED! In an area like mine where 1/15 has Covid and classrooms are filled with 15- 20+ 'keyworker' children each day, the virus will be spreading! Basically, anyone who still has a job to go to can send their children to school, those who don't have a quiet area for children to learn can send their children to school,those who have SEN can go to school, those who are vulnerable can go to school, those who do not have internet or a device at home can go to school. Schools are NOT closed- they are still busy and super spreading!

And this. Those of you saying 'well my school only had x cases and it didn't spread', schools are not always informing everyone about all cases.

people still meeting up. See it all the time on many groups I'm in online where they hook up or meet someone. Then when challenged claim they're in their bubble. This is obviously without the isolation time before and after. Lots of others still meeting up with friends like before lockdown so will be spreading that way. Also transmission in schools due to the sheer volume of children in some it is impossible for there not to be.

Hospitals as well. I wasn't tested before I was admitted even though had an op done. I could have infected many, many staff members and patients if I had had it or had not been showing any symptoms.

So many are going in there without it but catching it while they're in there. Feel desperately sorry for them.

Also places that have classed themselves as essential when they blatantly are not. Bloody car showrooms and garden centres etc are not essential! Local ones still all doing test drives and carrying on as normal. Despite not being in what is supposedly allowed. They had furloughed staff before and had others working from home but this time around are still having them all in even though work from home is easily available due to online enquiries etc.

People also with endless bubbles! I understand the need for support bubbles. I really do. I'm on about the ones who have taken it too far with bubbles for this, that and the next thing. Then the people they have bubbles with all have separate bubbles for things and so on and on.

Find it ironic how the ones who are stretching the rules etc tend to be the first to moan about lockdown!