timescale for non vulnerable under 50s being offered the vaccine?

[Earlgrey666]

I wondered if there is an estimation of timescale for the above? I have searched but can't find any information on this.

I have friends in their 30s/40s with no underlying health conditions expecting to be offered the vaccine this Spring and I think they are being very optimistic!

Agreeing with a few others i wont be spending in the economy (restaurants/pubs/shops even) until vaxxed so that is simething they need to consider.
That may be quite a lot of money per family. (Swimming lessons/no soft play etc etc)
As a minimum they need to allow people to choose to buy it. once it gets to under 50.
Anyway a plan not to bother with younger groups is tactically very stupid

• it may affect their a bility to travel

Minimum might affect travel insurance costs or life insurance

• I bet it i s making even fewer young people comply with lockdowns including parebts keeping kids off (as they will 100% get it/risk catching. )
• Convinces people if they wont be vaxxed it's because they wont die/be affected - except - long covid
• This up isgoing to cost the country a fortune in health issues an d that is going to be more expensive because these people have long life expectsncy left. imagine kids with heart damage or t1 diabetes,i bet that is very expensive for nhs monitoring. As could be increased asthma. and that is all tip of the iceberg.

Does anyone have an idea on when a disabled person under 50 with a disability not on the shielded list will be offered the vaccine? I currently don't see a consultant and no one seems to have any idea.

I'm 47 and was assuming I might have to wait until I turn 50 in 2.5 years.

I know somebody aged 60 who got the vaccine this week as her daughter works at a GP and they had a couple of spare doses from patients who didn't turn up.

@Beebityboo

Does anyone have an idea on when a disabled person under 50 with a disability not on the shielded list will be offered the vaccine? I currently don't see a consultant and no one seems to have any idea.

According to the vaccine guidance I’ve seen, many disabilities don’t change where in the queue you are. So you are expected to have had your second dose by the last week of December. Hopefully it won’t get pushed back.

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I feel the same *@BellsaRinging* 💐

So do I.. all my friends are isolating themselves - I haven't seen any since March..and none of us enjoy using zoom; I don't know when I shall see my elderly father - my only family; we don't have a car; we were hoping to get new jobs and move last year and that's been put on hold til goodness knows when, we live in a tiny flat.. so yup, there's not been much fun and I was so looking forward to having a holiday this year having had to postpone last year's.. but I'm very thankful DH, my family and I are well.. just incredibly frustrated when we've done things by the book ref isolating/distancing etc. It will come, just have to hang on a little longer.

Like a few others on this thread I don’t feel comfortable going back out and doing normal things like restaurants/cinema/pub/gigs/pretty much anything indoors - and spending money and thus supporting the economy - until I have been vaccinated. I’ll be 45 soon and from what I’ve read about long covid, and also one or two people I know about in my extended circle, it’s just not worth the risk of fucking up the rest of my life for, even if this risk is small. Also, we’ve been living this weird sort of half life for so long now that it’ll psychologically be very hard to just go back to normal in the summer (without vaccination) just because Matt Hancock says so or because they want to ease restrictions.

I think the difficulty we have, and others have made the point here too, is that if it is announced that under 50s aren't getting it, after a year of hearing how potentially fatal it is, and recently seeing young people with no underlying conditions suffering long covid and dying from covid, is ensuring future compliance with lockdowns and in the under 50s re-engaging with society. The social contract will be under threat.
My view- some of the under 50s will say 'sod it. We and our children have lived with restrictions to protect the most vulnerable (and ourselves, as you told us it would be dire if we got it). Now you are going to refuse us vaccinations. We might as well ignore all restrictions and get back to doing what we want immediately'. The other part of the group will continue to largely live under restrictions, potentially refusing to go to work other than in their home and not buying or doing 'stuff''. The effect of this on the economy would be devastating. Either way there will be huge resentment from this class of people.

Mid 40s teacher here. According to that calculator it’ll be December this year.

As well as being concerned about illness. I’m also worried about holidays. I moved our July 2020 holiday to this July this year. Will be unvaccinated effect our ability to travel?

But we don’t need tough restrictions until every person is vaccinated. Restrictions are to stop overwhelming the health service. That will be done once all the vulnerable are vaccinated. That will happen by Feb.

@Blessex that assumes that people are willing to assume the risk of getting covid, and that its effects are serious but manageable-similar to flu, but also with no long-term effects. I am less and less assured that's the case.

@BellsaRinging a lot of people will take that risk vs the alternative of being locked away for a year. And they should be allowed to.

@Blessex absolutely, I agree they should have the option, and those who dont want to should also be protected too. My concern though is that the government wont allow those who are uncomfortable re-engaging with society continuing to say wfh for example. Look at how they teeated teachers. I'm a lawyer and they are still forcing us to attend court for live non-urgent hearings, and refusing to consider remote hearings. So after telling us how essential lockdown is I predict thet will be back to bullishly forcing people to 'get back to work' as soon as some have received the vaccine.

My point is though that as soon as you tell this class of people they will be unvaccinated (if that is the case) you risk pretty significant difficulties socially. Will they, for instance, comply with further restrictions or lockdowns, for this or other diseases? I doubt it. People are essentially self-interested. They accept restrictions if it benefits them. They can live with them if they can see that it's for the greater good; if they see that protecting others will also protect themselves. If they hear 'you wont get a vaccine and will have to take the risk of illness; we think it's unlikely you'll die' then lots of them will say 'fuck it, why should I comply with any restrictions' and the others will say 'I am going to self-restrict until I am vaccinated'. Both these positions are valid, but both bring economic and political difficulties...

@benedicto

This is the key to returning to normal life (including economic productivity). As someone under 50 I will choose not to return to normal life until I am vaccinated. You may say that is my choice, but there will be millions like me, especially if new variants are shown to affect increasingly younger people rather than just those over 80 (this is in fact currently happening, just ask any staff member in a hospital).

This. There are plenty of under 50s who will avoid normal life until they are vaccinated (by this I mean going to pubs, restaurants, theatre etc). They will try to vaccinate everyone as quickly as they can because of this but it does depend on vaccine supply. If new vaccines are authorised that will help.

Im early 30’s and a nurse family member has said they’re aiming for June for us. I think unlikely but then I don’t really have a clue what’s going on and she does.

My dr told me its likely to be may a month or so ago, she's an optimistic type of lady . I'm 48

No time soon, I doubt it'll even be next year.

My town has a population of over 45,000 we've had precisely 197 vaccines so far, and the population must be at least 50% over 65 (seaside resort full of pensioners)

Once again the government has done a massive PR campaign, this time saying they're the first country rolling the vaccines out blah blah but the reality is we're going to have to wait a fucking long time.

@Blessex

But we don’t need tough restrictions until every person is vaccinated. Restrictions are to stop overwhelming the health service. That will be done once all the vulnerable are vaccinated. That will happen by Feb.

I don't think it's just about the vulnerable anymore.

A mum from school is currently in hospital with covid, she's in her 40s, another friend was in hospital last March the beginning of all this, she's mid 50s and was reasonable fit prior to covid, but is still struggling to get back to normal now.

It's going to get worse before it gets better

@happinessischocolate I understand that. But these cases are still very rare. The vast majority who will end up in hospital are going to be vaccinated within the next two months. Then the rest of us need to get on with life if we so wish. Similarly those that want to wait for a vaccine should be allowed to wait for a vaccine. But that is their choice. Many of us want to crack on, get our kids back in school and start mending the broken economy.

The virus will likely also reduce to almost zero again in a few months as it did this summer. I cannnot see the whole country doing this all summer when cases are very low. They will lift it and then make sure we are ok next winter when it will flare up again.

@HSHorror

Agreeing with a few others i wont be spending in the economy (restaurants/pubs/shops even) until vaxxed so that is simething they need to consider. That may be quite a lot of money per family. (Swimming lessons/no soft play etc etc) As a minimum they need to allow people to choose to buy it. once it gets to under 50. Anyway a plan not to bother with younger groups is tactically very stupid

• it may affect their a bility to travel

Minimum might affect travel insurance costs or life insurance

• I bet it i s making even fewer young people comply with lockdowns including parebts keeping kids off (as they will 100% get it/risk catching. )
• Convinces people if they wont be vaxxed it's because they wont die/be affected - except - long covid
• This up isgoing to cost the country a fortune in health issues an d that is going to be more expensive because these people have long life expectsncy left. imagine kids with heart damage or t1 diabetes,i bet that is very expensive for nhs monitoring. As could be increased asthma. and that is all tip of the iceberg.

You are right about impact on compliance. If there is no plan to vaccinate under 50's then it is inevitable we will all get it.

@Blessex

I'm not sure they're as rare as some people think. I know 2 people who are or have been in hospital, I found out about the first one after she left hospital. The second I only know about as my dc is friends with her dc, it's not public knowledge, it's not been put on fb or sm that she's ill so some other friends are still oblivious.

Ive seen at least 4 posts over the past 8 months from different friends on fb whereby they state they don't know anyone who's had covid, and then every time there's responses from their friends saying that actually yes they do as "friend" was in hospital, one was even unaware that the dad of a friend of theirs had died.

I'm still working, my workplace is still open and all 200 employees are expected to turn up. We have certain measures in place , covid screens and masks but if a member of the office staff does get covid I don't think the masks and covid screens are going to protect us

I'm in my 40s and on the flu jab list, but according to the calculator won't get the vaccine till the end of the year. I'm pretty sure I will catch it before then - I have school age children and a partner working in front line health care. I'm following lockdown rules but I am not obsessing about catching it because I think it is inevitably going to happen at some point, especially if the vaccine doesn't prevent transmission (meaning that there will be increasing numbers of asymptomatic infectious people walking around).

I keep thinking about this. We had planned to book Xmas in Thailand but I'm not prepared to travel internationally until vaccinated. Really hard to predict timescales. I'm sure there will be some problems with supply further down the line (but hope not).

Those of us with kids can't avoid normal life.
My young teen bought Covid home. We managed to avoid it with fairly extreme mitigations.
Cases are rife in his school and his brother's, which means my other son can still bring Covid back from his secondary, so we can WFH, shop online, but school means that we are essentially mixing with hundreds every day.