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Sadiq Khan declares major incident in London

323 replies

Ohbabybab · 08/01/2021 13:40

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-55588163

OP posts:
Dongdingdong · 08/01/2021 15:25

Let’s not forget that if 1 in 30 Londoners have it, that means about 96% of Londoners DON’T have it. But hey, panic stations and all that.

Sparrowfeeder · 08/01/2021 15:25

Oh and more cycle lanes please!

AnneElliott · 08/01/2021 15:26

Policing isn't a central Government role operationally. Each police force is responsible for deciding where to focus their resources.

And I'd be interested to see a link to proper research that shows a clear link between the number of officers and crime.

Violent crime was highest in 2003 if I recall correctly and there were many more police then than we have now.

HmmSureJan · 08/01/2021 15:27

In London - actual, real London - Khan is popular.

This.

HmmSureJan · 08/01/2021 15:30

And I know why a lot of people don’t like Sadiq, I’m sure I don't need to spell it out.

Well how did he get in in the first place then? He's widely expected to get in again too. It's nothing to do with race. I'm so tired of this. I voted for him, almost all my WHITE friends voted for him. All mayors get moaned about and slated, it really is that simple.

user68901 · 08/01/2021 15:31

@lucywho123

Thought so *@whittystitties* 😉

Always this 75% of school children are going into schools shite being spouted is actually embarrassing. They say it without any proof or evidence. At least provide facts if you’re going to keep going with that rhetoric hey

Indeed - mumsnet at its usual alarmist best. most secondary school kids are self sufficient enough to be at home if parents are working and certainly all 6th formers. So in total, the number of kids actually in school will overall be quite low.
AnneElliott · 08/01/2021 15:31

@XVmama PFI is a terrible idea but it was a local decision to use that particular contractual vehicle in the NHS Trust and their use exponentially increased under a Labour Government - albeit PFI as an option was introduced by Major's Government.

And a significant reason why they're so bad for vfm is because the public sector (and I am public sector myself) do not manage the PFI contract properly. There are some local authorities who do manage theirs tightly (normally because they've brought in a specialist to do it) and for them it works.

The NHS trust in the SE agreed a PFI deal that was a quarter of their income - total madness and their finance director and Board ought to have been sacked for such incompetence. They agreed a contract that increase by more than RPI each year and assumed their budget would always go up.

CleverCatty · 08/01/2021 15:31

@HmmSureJan

In London - actual, real London - Khan is popular.

This.

really, LOL. Not with this Londoner.

What has he done to tackle e.g. knife crime? Sweet FA.

kirinm · 08/01/2021 15:33

@Dongdingdong

Racism and Islamophobia is the reason Sadiq Khan is disliked.

So anyone who criticises our mayor is now a racist? Don’t be ridiculous. FWIW I thought Ken Livingstone was a dreadful mayor too. Boris has been the best of a bad lot so far.

I would love to hear something positive BJ did as Mayor. Something that wasn't already in progress when he was elected ideally.
MadameBlobby · 08/01/2021 15:33

@whittystitties

Too late, horse bolted at Christmas, time to let what will be, be - you can't contain it now, not without sending everyone home and shutting everything, but it'll still be there when we open up.
Yep this. If SAGE are now saying lockdown won’t contain it that’s it surely. Not much else we can do.
BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 08/01/2021 15:33

[quote Liftmusic]@lucywho123 I found this by googling. I suppose it’s hard for people to believe if they can’t imagine it’s any
different from what their friends tell them in their area.
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/06/english-schools-struggle-with-demand-for-key-worker-places

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/schools-struggle-provide-enough-spaces-19569327

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-55573652

metro.co.uk/2021/01/07/parents-falsely-claiming-key-worker-status-to-get-children-in-school-13866636/[/quote]
These articles all mention "requests and applications" they don't talk about actual school acceptance figures.

annevonkleve · 08/01/2021 15:34

What has he done to tackle e.g. knife crime? Sweet FA

Isn't that the Met Police's job?

borntobequiet · 08/01/2021 15:35

We need private sector efficiency

No we don’t- for all its faults, the NHS is the probably the most efficient and cost effective health system in a large developed country.
Other systems (for example, some European ones) are very good, reach most people, but cost more, and the system in the USA provides excellent care for some, reasonably good care for others (depending on the limits of their insurance) and very basic or non-existent care for millions, while costing a far higher percentage of GDP than does ours.
What you’re actually proposing, I think, is privatising vaccination so that people can get it if they pay for it. While I don’t object to people paying for private healthcare if they can, this emergency is such that the overriding objective must be to vaccinate as many of the vulnerable as fast as is possible to keep services open for others. If in time there are sufficient supplies of the vaccine, and the general population has been sufficiently immunised, it would be OK for people to pay for it as they might for any other medicine.

hedders · 08/01/2021 15:36

Can you please stop it with the smearing? This is really playground level.

It's totally irrelevant that Khan is Muslim or brown (don't think he's an observant Muslim anyway). I voted for him at the last election, won't be doing so again as I'm disappointed. I'm not a bot and if you keep dismissing those with a different political opinion, it'll come back to bite you in the arse in due course. Might even go leafletting now.

Dongdingdong · 08/01/2021 15:36

I would love to hear something positive BJ did as Mayor. Something that wasn't already in progress when he was elected ideally.

Scrapped the god awful bendy buses for one. I hated the sodding things!

kirinm · 08/01/2021 15:38

@hedders

I think it's nonsense to say that voters don't like Khan because he is Muslim and from an ethnic minority. Yes, some people are racist but holding someone to a lower standard because of race/religion is also prejudiced, just in the other direction.

I voted for him but Khan hasn't performed as well as I hoped, there are some major issues that he has not managed to sort out (knife crime, more cycling lanes, air pollution). On the whole, he has been too keen on empty sloganeering instead of real change. I did not care for his BLM New Year's Eve display - really, we're in a fucking pandemic, and all he can think about is virtue-signalling? He must know that some of the BLM aims are pretty controversial. I also thought he is way out of line on trans issues. Not his policy area, very complicated, please shut up and sort out the things you were asked to sort out.

Boris' garden bridge was a disaster, I can only hope that the next Mayor will be better. Will be voting for Shaun Bailey.

Shaun Bailey is such an opportunist and comes across as really stupid. He will never win.
XVmama · 08/01/2021 15:38

In London - actual, real London - Khan is popular.

Yes, this is my experience too. As I said, I’m not a fan for trivial reasons (the fireworks pissed me off in a mighty way and his endless tinkering on the advice of twelve year old management consultants has a major impact on my own work), but Boris (and Ken) pissed off everyone, while Sadiq has done a good job holding London together through Brexit and the explosive inequalities of a city where it’s possible to spend a nurse’s annual salary on lunch.

Like Nicola Sturgeon, whatever you make of this, he’s been ahead of the government on everything throughout this carnage.

MadameBlobby · 08/01/2021 15:39

I totally agree with all you say @Russellbrandshair. No matter what we do, no matter how much sacrifice we make, it’s never enough for SAGE and the like. It’s hardly surprising that some people are thinking fuck it, if it’s not going to be good enough anyway what’s the point. Human nature is what it is.

The British people have done and are doing their bit. Time for the government to step up and take their turn now of actually doing something inseams of just telling us what we can’t do.

donewithitalltodayandxmas · 08/01/2021 15:40

@whittystitties london Was tier4 xmas day so no mixing was allowed there , it was rife before and this can't be blamed on xmas day mixing

hedders · 08/01/2021 15:41

There a really easy way to find out how popular a politician really is. It's called an "election".

AnneElliott · 08/01/2021 15:41

So much ignorance on this thread. The Mayor does indeed set the budget for the Police in London. Elsewhere the Police and Crime Commissioner sets the budget.

The Government provides a grant to all forces and on top of this the Mayor sets the level of police precept (council tax) and also can allocate any further money to the police from either his commercial income or other GLA grants. Which the mayor has done consistently over the past few years.

The Mayor then sets the priorities for the MPS although operationally the decisions are made by the Commissioner.

And like a pp I'd like to see the evidence for many schools having 75% attendance. I'm sure some have as it's been reported in the media - but that's a long way away from 'many'. Certainly the two schools I'm in a position to know about have 3 and 7 children in respectively in KS1. Both are 2 form entry.

Wheresthebeach · 08/01/2021 15:42

@KaptainKaveman

Yes, privatising the prisons has worked wonders, hasn't it roarfeckingroarr? and the railways? and the probation service?

Anyway , speaking as an actual Londoner, I can confirm Khan is pretty popular. Smile

And Serco Test and Trace private venture is a roaring success.
lucywho123 · 08/01/2021 15:43

@Liftmusic

None of those articles state there are 75% of pupils in schools. Just that there was higher demand from parents

ScribblingPixie · 08/01/2021 15:43

Sadiq Khan is disappointing in this, I agree. It's so out of order to say any criticism of him = racism. I think his big strength is his support of London's diversity and different religions and cultures; it's clear he's sincere about it and it's largely why I voted for him a second time. But he hasn't been good during this crisis - he admitted himself that he's struggled and it's felt to me that all our strength has come from Londoners supporting each other rather than 'the leadership'.

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