To ask if you're not getting the vaccine...

[Soitis83]

Then why? Just curious as to why some people will not get it

So why is it selfish if someone doesn’t want it, it only affects said person?
Not everyone may be able to have the vaccine and it isn't 100% effective. Anyone immune compromised (e.g. getting cancer treatment), currently pregnant or otherwise unable to take the vaccine is at higher risk of catching covid the fewer other people get vaccinated. The decision taken that you're ok catching covid might mean someone else becoming seriously unwell as a result of catching covid from you. It's entirely your choice not to vaccinate, but that is why people believe it's a selfish choice for someone healthy to make.

[quote bare123]@Veterinari

I am simply answering your question as you said you didn’t see or hear anything about effects of the vaccine? Obviously there are side effects with all vaccines, which is why I’m saying there is a small chance you could be hospitalised when receiving the vaccine just as there is the small chance low risk groups would be hospitalised with covid.

No it is not scaremongering, was your link to the statistics regarding the young people with long covid scaremongering?[/quote]
Umm where have I said I haven't seen or heard about effects of the vaccine?

What I actually said was I'm not aware of any vaccine risks that compare to long covid?

And I'm still not. As acute anaphylaxis risks in a known predisposed proportion of the population isn't the same as long term chronic debilitation in a much larger proportion of the population.

If you're trying to argue that the small numbers of adverse vaccine anaphylaxis (11.1 cases per million cases) is the same small risk as that of long COVID (1 in 20), then you may need a maths refresher.
The economic and healthcare burdens cannot be compared.

@Veterinari

1 in 20 people includes the whole population (high and low risk) I am only talking about low risk as again it is obvious why high risk are being vaccinated.

And I don’t understand how you are not aware of any vaccine risks that compare to it, is two doctors one being hospitalised and one dying not enough risk to compare it to? Especially considering the virus has been around basically a year and the vaccine has been out less than a month, of course you’re not going to see the same amount of people been effected by it at the long term effects.

I'm healthy 28 years old, so probably at the far end of the list. I don't even care about the vax, as I might get it in two years.

I’ve had covid and it wasn’t nice but it wasn’t horrific (for me). I have heard the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread (correct me if I’m wrong??) so it’s not actually selfish for low risk people to not get it? Same as I don’t usually get the flu jab.
Also unsure about future pregnancies, I got the whooping cough vaccine when pregnant as it was to protect my baby however I didn’t get the flu jab as I didn’t feel it necessary, not sure why really as I’ve had flu once before and it was terrible

I have heard the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread (correct me if I’m wrong??)
You're wrong. There is some evidence of reduced spread, and people without symptoms having lower viral load so they aren't infectious. Not being 100% is not the same as not helping at all. Healthcare and care home workers are prioritised precisely because it's thought to reduce spread.

[quote bare123]@Veterinari

1 in 20 people includes the whole population (high and low risk) I am only talking about low risk as again it is obvious why high risk are being vaccinated.

And I don’t understand how you are not aware of any vaccine risks that compare to it, is two doctors one being hospitalised and one dying not enough risk to compare it to? Especially considering the virus has been around basically a year and the vaccine has been out less than a month, of course you’re not going to see the same amount of people been effected by it at the long term effects.[/quote]
Again if you think that 2 people with known allergies being hospitalised after having the vaccine is a greater risk that the thousands of people being being hospitalised from having coronavirus then there's not much point in having a discussion. Your ability to critically analyse risk is limited and I can't help you with that.

The vaccine reduces transmission and so helps reduce spread across all categories of people. It also reduces severity of symptoms, so there are multiple personal and population benefits.

Yes it has some side effects - all vaccines do, but they are known and precautions are taken, and they is a significantly lower risk of side effects after vaccination than risk of health complications after COVID.

1 in 20 people includes the whole population (high and low risk) I am only talking about low risk as again it is obvious why high risk are being vaccinated.

How are you defining low risk? The BMJ article I linked describes the NHS setting up a number of long COVID specialist centres to deal with the huge numbers of problems they're seeing in low-risk patients. If your 'low risk' people stay at home, self isolate and never interact with other members of the general public for the rest of their lives then sure why not. Otherwise they're selfish idiots who have chosen not to taken a vaccine which is proven to be safe and which reduces both disease severity AND disease transmission, and so are choosing to put their friends/family/other vulnerable people at risk. Similar to most anti-vaxxers really.

And I don’t understand how you are not aware of any vaccine risks that compare to it, is two doctors one being hospitalised and one dying not enough risk to compare it to? Especially considering the virus has been around basically a year and the vaccine has been out less than a month, of course you’re not going to see the same amount of people been effected by it at the long term effects.

I am entirely aware of the vaccine risks. They don't compare to the risks of covid. That is my point. You however seem to be struggling to understand either. You need to read up on how percentages work. Two vaccine reactions resulting in hospitalisation of predisposed individuals, out of the millions of people being vaccinated is an infinitesimally tiny number, and not comparable to the millions of people dying or suffering long term effect of COVID, which the vaccine prevents.

I'm thinking about not having it yet. There is a family history of severe reaction to vaccination, though I have had other vaccines and been ok. I've had covid and so have my family which I feel gives me some protection and gives others some.protection (though I appreciate we don't know how long natural antibodies last, just like we don't really know how long we r immune after the vaccine).

I work in the NHS, colleagues have been pressuring and calling me selfish because they feel.i should have the vaccine tom protect others. I understand there point but I am scared of having a reaction to it and I love my family and am not ready to die yet or end up with severe medical problems. I know that's extremely unlikely, but given family history I feel.im at greater risk. Maybe I'm being irrational to worry about side effects, but I'm scared and criticising me for my anxiety is not fair.

I think the decision should be.mine and mine alone, and that I'm entitled to choose what I do to my own body. If I was elderly, or had.underlying complications or had had covid badly (it affected.me.only.relatively mildly and I would.be ok having it again), I'd probably have the vaccine. I'd also have it if I'd not had covid as i'd likely be more scared of getting it, and how badly it might impact me. However, I've had it, and I don't have any underlying complications and are relatively young.

I understand people's anxiety and frustration that others are not wanting the vaccine, but.its a personal.choice and clearly if others were not anxious about it they'd have it. However, if you r anxious about having it, then someone.putting pressure on you and criticising you and calling you selfish does not make.you more.likely to have it, it just makes you feel.like shit.

@MRex and others who have helped clarify the situation re anti coagulants, many thanks. I suppose it's a quickly evolving situation but great to hear that this isn't so much of an issue. The nursing homes vaccinations were done before Christmas so it may not have been the Oxford vaccine at that time.

I'm a breast feeding mother and I'm booked to get first dose of Oxford vaccine tomorrow. I'm at low risk of dying from covid (slim, female, Caucasian, 30s) but I'm not as ego-centric as some other posters - I'm primarily doing this for the good of society as a whole. I don't want to spread disease unnecessarily and I desperately want an end to lockdown. For now this is the only way forward and I'm genuinely excited and proud to be getting the jab.

Incidentally I would probably want it if TTC/Pregnant. And I'm a doctor.

So many pregnant people on here who think they can't have it!

I think the decision should be.mine and mine alone, and that I'm entitled to choose what I do to my own body.

Umm... the decision IS yours, we don't live in a totalitarian state

It would just be nice if everyone made their decisions based on rational evidence rather than suspicious and misinformation as seems to be the case with several posters in this thread. If you make a decision that affects society as a whole, based on misinformation then don't be surprised if someone tries to correct it.

I’m a pregnant healthcare worker and I’ve trued to book the vaccine but they say unless a physician recommends it I can’t have it. So it’s not as if you have a choice if pregnant unless you lie. They don’t seem to mind pregnant workers working on the front line though even though catching covid can be really bad in pregnancy.

@Veterinari

1 in 20 people includes the whole population (high and low risk) I am only talking about low risk as again it is obvious why high risk are being vaccinated.

How are you defining low risk? The BMJ article I linked describes the NHS setting up a number of long COVID specialist centres to deal with the huge numbers of problems they're seeing in low-risk patients. If your 'low risk' people stay at home, self isolate and never interact with other members of the general public for the rest of their lives then sure why not. Otherwise they're selfish idiots who have chosen not to taken a vaccine which is proven to be safe and which reduces both disease severity AND disease transmission, and so are choosing to put their friends/family/other vulnerable people at risk. Similar to most anti-vaxxers really.

And I don’t understand how you are not aware of any vaccine risks that compare to it, is two doctors one being hospitalised and one dying not enough risk to compare it to? Especially considering the virus has been around basically a year and the vaccine has been out less than a month, of course you’re not going to see the same amount of people been effected by it at the long term effects.

I am entirely aware of the vaccine risks. They don't compare to the risks of covid. That is my point. You however seem to be struggling to understand either. You need to read up on how percentages work. Two vaccine reactions resulting in hospitalisation of predisposed individuals, out of the millions of people being vaccinated is an infinitesimally tiny number, and not comparable to the millions of people dying or suffering long term effect of COVID, which the vaccine prevents.

@Veterinari. How are you defining low risk

Highest and high risk below detailed in the link below, so low risk would be the rest of the population I assume, again of course some people defined low risk unfortunately get bad symptoms
www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/people-at-higher-risk.html

End of the day, it is a personal choice, I have received all vaccines I have had to up to now and know of someone who was effected by one, whereas I know countless people who have tested positive for covid and luckily are all ok now, I know there are people who have/ are suffering with long covid but I don’t know them and again this is a personal experience with people I know and not people I read or hear about, I appreciate you have your own personal experiences.

Also, just because there is a smaller number of people who are effected by one or the other, doesn’t mean it is less important.

I’m n sure after watching this .... must watch all of it though rumble.com/vcesav-brave-reporter-goes-off-script-on-air.html

I don't want it and won't be having it.

I'm healthy. It doesn't stop transmission. Doesn't stop you getting corona. It simply lessens the symptoms.

If I were to catch corona I would either have no symptoms or have w week or so of being unwell.

I would rather have a week or so of being unwell than have the jab. I don't see a need for it for myself having it personally.

*don't want it and won't be having it.

I'm healthy. It doesn't stop transmission. Doesn't stop you getting corona. It simply lessens the symptoms.

If I were to catch corona I would either have no symptoms or have w week or so of being unwell.

I would rather have a week or so of being unwell than have the jab. I don't see a need for it for myself having it personally.*

www.itv.com/news/2021-01-09/covid-brother-of-man-who-died-aged-36-we-didnt-feel-there-was-a-great-threat-as-were-relatively-young

Some hard of thinking posters don't seem to be able to understand what herd immunity means.

@Ginfordinner A lot of people don’t realise that having the virus also contributes to herd immunity. It’s not just the vaccine. A recent study found that immunity from infection lasts 5-8 months+ and they said that they expected it to continue for longer. So people who have already had the virus and those who will get it over the next few months will all be contributing to herd immunity along with those who are being vaccinated.

I don't see a need for it for myself having it personally.

I take it you don't buy into the concept of a shared community responsibility then? If a course of action you choose has a negative effect on the wider community you don't give a shit? But you're happy to benefit from the decisions others in your community make that have a positive effect on you.

Do you understand how selfish this attitude is?

@WithTheJonses

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Best of luck with that. My daughters friend is 30 and perfectly healthy and seriously ill in hospital with covid .

@Ginfordinner

Some hard of thinking posters don't seem to be able to understand what herd immunity means.

They also think that the vaccine means they can't catch it, or pass it on. Amazing miracle though this vaccine, it can cope with any mutation we don't know about yet. Bloody gullible some folk, it's a bit like the schools closing, lol.

They also think that the vaccine means they can't catch it, or pass it on.

Early indications show that if they catch it they get it mildly. The jury is out about passing it on.

A lot of people don’t realise that having the virus also contributes to herd immunity

I do know that @bumbleymummy, but why take the risk of getting it in the first place or getting it badly badly, or developing long covid - or even dying?

An old school friend got in touch recently. Both she and her husband were slim and healthy. They both had covid quite badly, and have been suffering from long covid for several months.

I keep trotting out this phrase, but it is the Russian Roulette nature of the virus that is concerning, especially the new variant.

I am risk averse and will remain so.