To ask if you're not getting the vaccine...

[Soitis83]

Then why? Just curious as to why some people will not get it

@trulydelicious

You just cannot force someone to have medical treatment for the benefit of somebody else

Oh I think you’ll find you can be, if not enough people step up to have the vaccine to remove restrictions.

@DeeCeeCherry

I want to wait until (hopefully) I can gauge that it's safe. If it was a cure-all the rich/elite would have their hands on it 1st, we would not be a priority. I feel as if we're guinea pigs.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, just came to my own conclusions. My Mum told me she was wary of Thalidomide in the early 1960s (when I was born) even when it was being touted as safe and people who thought it wasn't were scaremongers.

To have a particular vaccination or not is a private decision I don't see why people are being asked about it or as I've seen elsewhere on MN, harangued about it.

To have a vaccine or not is a public health matter, it’s not really a private matter. You are relying on herd immunity and for others to have a vaccine to keep you safe.

When those people are actively harming others who can't get the vaccine yet for whatever reason or can't get it at all, no, it's not okay to think differently. It's manslaughter.

Fine. Arrest me and charge me then. Let's see if you can make that stick

@squeekums

Agree that you sound proud of your phobia, not ashamed. And you should be ashamed. Hitting hospital staff indeed. Good one!

If someone has a phobia of spiders/flying/water etc etc etc that only affects or curtails their activities or life. Phobia of getting vaccinated against a rampant disease but still wanting to go out and about as you please = selfish arse.

I will get it. Eventually. Not at the moment though. We’re TTC, I have endometriosis & I have a belly of adhesions after having my bladder removed. Both of which can have an impact on my fertility.

Hell no. I'm very concerned about potential long term side effects.

Oh I think you’ll find you can be, if not enough people step up to have the vaccine to remove restrictions.

In what universe, lol.
Nobody can make you have it if you don't want to.
They may not allow certain things like pubs/ foreign holidays etc.
Then people make their minds up what is more important to them.
There really aren't that many people who can't have it.

I’m pregnant and TTC (though breastfeeding enough that I still don’t have periods at 18 months) I’m trying to get at least one dose ASAP as I am not high risk enough to need it in pregnancy but would really really rather not be unprotected next winter if I’m heavily pregnant then, especially with the risks of preterm birth etc. I’ll be gutted if everyone else can socialise but I can’t!
For what it’s worth all the other doctors I know are keen to get theirs, less take up among the receptionists

@trulydelicious It's also manslaughter if you coerce someone into having these vaccines and they die of anaphylactic shock, isn't it? - it can happen even if you have no previous history of allergies - see what happened in Alaska

Then stay indoors and away from people. Not hard. People should take advice from their doctors, pretty much.

It amazes me how much people push this disease aside because it won't affect THEM. Fuck everybody who has an underlying condition, which doesn't necessarily mean "dying in hospital" ffs.

As a government employee (not uk), I’m entitled to the vaccine. However the health authority state that anyone who has been prescribed an epipen for any reason should not have it. I spoke to my doctor who said if I want it, they’ll admit me for a day and monitor me for 12 hours to make sure I have no reaction.

Therefore, I won’t be having it, until more is known about the allergy response.

@Apandemicyousay

“ To have a vaccine or not is a public health matter, it’s not really a private matter. You are relying on herd immunity and for others to have a vaccine to keep you safe.”

Not in this case. The vaccine is being given to the more vulnerable to reduce the likelihood of people needing to be hospitalised and thereby reducing the strain on the NHS. If you’re vulnerable/worried then get the vaccine - it doesn’t matter what other people decide to do.

@bumbleymummy. Sure, at the moment it’s vulnerable being vaccinated but that’s just the prioritisation list. In order to keep NHS clear for routine work in the young and fit needs high levels of immunity so the the vulnerable are ok. Remember lots of vulnerable may not mount antibody responses to vaccination if in immunosuppression, chemo, post transplant etc.

Going through IVF treatment. If I wasn’t, or if the recommendations change so that it is suggested all pregnant women can have it (not just clinically vulnerable women who need to weigh up the competing risk of catching covid) then I would have it.

Also should have said the consultant told me not to have it whilst going through treatment (not that I’ve been offered it yet).

To have a vaccine or not is a public health matter, it’s not really a private matter. You are relying on herd immunity and for others to have a vaccine to keep you safe

Apand don't be ridiculous. If I choose to wait before having the vaccine it's none of your business whatsoever.

I know exactly where I am on the government list as as I've checked. During waiting time - & I've a long wait - yes, I will be trying to see if adverse effects reported. I can't see what this has to do with anyone else, really.

Honestly - just go and have your vaccine. Nobody is stopping you.

Aside from that...

There are some wild Covid-vigilantes on this and similar threads. Thank God they're not in charge, authoritarian state wouldn't cover it and prisons wouldn't be able to hold the numbers that the baying mob would want in there.

I can't work out whether you all pester your relatives, neighbours etc or are quiet in real life and just do the crazed thing online.

@DeeCeeCherry

To have a vaccine or not is a public health matter, it’s not really a private matter. You are relying on herd immunity and for others to have a vaccine to keep you safe

Apand don't be ridiculous. If I choose to wait before having the vaccine it's none of your business whatsoever.

I know exactly where I am on the government list as as I've checked. During waiting time - & I've a long wait - yes, I will be trying to see if adverse effects reported. I can't see what this has to do with anyone else, really.

Honestly - just go and have your vaccine. Nobody is stopping you.

Aside from that...

There are some wild Covid-vigilantes on this and similar threads. Thank God they're not in charge, authoritarian state wouldn't cover it and prisons wouldn't be able to hold the numbers that the baying mob would want in there.

I can't work out whether you all pester your relatives, neighbours etc or are quiet in real life and just do the crazed thing online.

Agreed. What I do to my body is no concern of anyone else's, as much as the hysterical MNers would like to think otherwise.

To all those saying it’s manslaughter not to get the vaccine, because you’ll spread the virus. Carers have spread the disease around too. My aunt has just lost her friend to covid because the carer tested positive after visiting her. My aunt also caught it but has luckily survived.
The carer feels extremely guilty about passing covid on, she was a private carer and the relationship was friendly so she is genuinely devastated. I can imagine what she would think if she saw the manslaughter accusation.

I’ve had the Pfizer vaccine. I would not have been allowed it if I was pregnant, breastfeeding, or planning to TTC in next couple months. Nor if I had had history of anaphylaxis- this was the Pfizer vaccine which approx 1 in 250,000 have had a severe allergy to the PEG (carrier) in the vaccine. When I had it, all those who had the reaction had anaphylaxis severe enough that they carried an epi-pen, no fatalities. The risk of Covid is substantially higher.

[quote IrmaFayLear]@squeekums

Agree that you sound proud of your phobia, not ashamed. And you should be ashamed. Hitting hospital staff indeed. Good one!

If someone has a phobia of spiders/flying/water etc etc etc that only affects or curtails their activities or life. Phobia of getting vaccinated against a rampant disease but still wanting to go out and about as you please = selfish arse.[/quote]
Try just highlighting how bad it is and why i will get a medical exemption
but you crack on being a bitch, suits you.....
I was 10 when i hit the local GP, who was also a family friend, you show how you have no understanding for how a phobia makes people react. Im not ashamed of something i cant control

I've met patients like this (usually female). You sound very proud of your phobia. What have you tried to overcome it. You may well be young and healthy but very few people can avoid needles for thier whole lives

Read above
its highlighting the severity as very few get it, even my dp didnt until he saw them try to take blood in pregnancy, now he gets it

What help? there is NONE in rural SA
Very little on the public scheme in aus even in a city. I wasnt even offered any when i had DD apart from 2 sessions (all i was funded) of hypnotherapy and only cos the woman who did it understood phobias and had used the same method to overcome her phobia. If she didnt work in same hospital, id not even have got that.
My dp has to wait 3 months between appointments for PTSD with his psych, phobias are so far down the list on public healthcare here

I’m excited to have the vaccine. I do have a question which I would be grateful if someone scientifically minded could help answer: Is there any evidence that immunity from the vaccine is better/ stronger than immunity acquired by having had Covid already? It was my understanding that unlike the flu, whilst it is mutating, Covid isn’t fundamentally unstable (as for example cold and flu viruses are.) Which is why scientists posit the vaccine should work even against the new strain.

So is there any reason to believe that it will diverge from the usual norm that once you catch a wild virus your body retains long term immunity? Are there examples of other structurally stable viruses where catching it does not confer immunity? It seems to me that either the virus is radically unstable in which case the vaccine will only confer temporary immunity and we will be stuck with six monthly vaccinations for life, or it isn’t, and catching it should be protective? Would love someone to help me work out what else I’m missing. Thanks in advance!

I will be one of the last to be offered it so not a decision I need to make yet

I am honestly not sure. I like to see long term data and there is none. None at all. I don’t mind the odd vaccine but as a dog owner we see the volume of vaccines given, year in year out.m, as being problematic. I don’t want any vaccine yearly unless there is a huge benefit to offset the risk. And covid presents a very low risk to me. I have also suffered at the hands of doctors - from a medicine -‘and yes it has betrayed my trust. I don’t take much medication unless absolutely essential.

Most people questioning the vaccine are thoughtful and measured. I’m amused by the outrage to this.

ready these are also my questions but I don’t then the answer is known. As regards existing vaccines my understanding is that natural immunity to certain things like chicken pox lasts longer (which is why I was glad mine got pox and not a vaccine lest it remain ineffective in about twenty years)

Corona seems like it is mutating though and it seems like we will need a yearly vaccine akin to flu. If that is the case then some of us will surely take years to be offered it as they will have to start all over again in winter

To all those saying it’s manslaughter not to get the vaccine, because you’ll spread the virus. Carers have spread the disease around too. My aunt has just lost her friend to covid because the carer tested positive after visiting her. My aunt also caught it but has luckily survived.
The carer feels extremely guilty about passing covid on, she was a private carer and the relationship was friendly so she is genuinely devastated. I can imagine what she would think if she saw the manslaughter accusation.

What's this got to do with refusing the vaccine? Apart from highlighting how easily spread it is and therefore you should have the vaccine? So the carer presumably didn't refuse the vaccine she wasn't offered the opportunity to ensure safety of her patients? So when she is offered and refuses then she is knowingly going to cause potential or actual death?

I don't think I'd employ a carer who refuses the vaccine.

@Streamside - you said that your relative's care home said patients with blood thinners weren't to have the vaccine. That isn't what BHF say, you may want to send them this link to encourage them to follow up: www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/coronavirus-and-your-health/coronavirus-vaccine-your-questions-answered.