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I’m just angry now

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BathFullOfEels · 06/01/2021 07:54

They knew a vaccine would be the only way of getting us out of this mess. The country has already been locked down twice. Why, why, why didn’t they use this time to set up the logistics of distributing and administering these vaccines?

Why, why, why are the government allowed to decide who to prioritise to receive these vaccines when they were always going to distribute in a way that benefits them. Surely any government with an ounce of realism would be self aware enough to realise that they would make this vaccine distribution a political decision and instead allow the decision to be made by an independent third party who can distribute it in a way that would allow the country to get back to work. Instead it’s likely that months and months down the line we’ll all be forced to go back to work despite still be unprotected.

I have visions of pensioners being able to swan off on holiday over the summer while the workers of the country will still be unable to.

It’s an absolute fucking farce. Watching that press conference last night just finally made it snap for me - they genuinely don’t know what they’re doing at all

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the80sweregreat · 06/01/2021 07:58

The working population should get the vaccine first. Makes sense to me but I'm sure someone will come along and say I'm wrong!

FippertyGibbett · 06/01/2021 08:00

@the80sweregreat

The working population should get the vaccine first. Makes sense to me but I'm sure someone will come along and say I'm wrong!
I agree. The old folk still have to shield even when they’ve had their jabs !
TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 06/01/2021 08:01

What has brought me to breaking point (as a teacher as well as a parent) is that he refused to rule out schools staying closed for the remainder of the academic year.

I'm so angry at the whole fucking mess and so unbelievably angry at what it has done to our children. DS is in the U6 and has spent most of his sixth form - just as he should have been discovering the wider world and getting his first taste of independence - stuck in his bedroom socialising via a screen. What kind of fucking life is that? And all I've heard, week after week, recently is bleating about closing the fucking schools. Well, they've got their way now. Hope they're happy.

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BathFullOfEels · 06/01/2021 08:02

I think it should be front line NHS workers and care home workers, then teachers and schools staff so the kids can return, then all key workers and shielding, all working age people so the country can work again, then 60+.

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FippertyGibbett · 06/01/2021 08:04

The teams who have just finished the flu campaign are best placed to deliver this vaccine, yet they are not being used.
They have staff who are qualified and experienced vaccinators, they have fridges, they have equipment.
I know vaccination nurses who are currently furloughed , and whose furlough letter states that they are unable to work for anyone else while furloughed. Someone high up needs to see that and sort it, yet it won’t happen.

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 06/01/2021 08:05

It's about reducing deaths and pressure on the NHS. Always has been.

And I say that as a CV person of working age. Even as CV I won't be getting the vaccine until the summer.

The death rate reduces then restrictions will be lifted. The way the govt. Have arranged the vaccination schedule is one thing they've done that I agree with

FippertyGibbett · 06/01/2021 08:05

It would be nice if those giving the jab could be allowed it too.

Skipsurvey · 06/01/2021 08:05

surely it is better for those who are at risk of becoming very ill from it.

Flaxmeadow · 06/01/2021 08:05

The hatred towards elderly people on here is mind blowing

Mybrowneyedgal · 06/01/2021 08:06

The aim of the vaccine is to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. If they vaccinate the working population first then the NHS will still be overwhelmed by the older generation and those who are shielding.

MonsterKidz · 06/01/2021 08:07

I don’t disagree with many of the points above. Absolutely agree with teachers being vaccinated asap.

But I thought the point of vaccinating the eldest and most vulnerable of severe illness first was that once we have good protection there not so many people require medical help and therefore the impact on the nhs is lesser and the rest of us can crack on until we all get vaccinated.

Icequeen01 · 06/01/2021 08:07

I disagree. I work in a residential SEN school which is fully open. We have cases of COVID currently. I am my 81 year old mum's support bubble. I cannot support her properly whilst I am working due to the risk to her from me. I need her to have this vaccine (and she has been fortunate enough to have already had her first and her second is going ahead on Saturday). This is a game changer for us. I will be able to take her to hospital appts etc and sit in her lounge and have a cup of tea with her so she has some form of social interaction without worrying I could kill her.

Mybrowneyedgal · 06/01/2021 08:08

I remember why will you have to wait until the summer if you're CV?

Finfintytint · 06/01/2021 08:09

I understood that the vaccine rollout is based on who is most likely to become very ill due to having the virus. It will keep the hospitals from pressure. The workers and children are not the ones at most risk of dying.

rosie1959 · 06/01/2021 08:09

The JCVI produced the priority list not the government
Why are we in lockdown? Because the NHS is in danger of being overwhelmed
Are these hospitals full of fit young people or the people most affected
Please think about this

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BathFullOfEels · 06/01/2021 08:10

I don’t see it as hating older people at all flaxmeadow. They can isolate much more easily than a lot of workers. It may sound callous but I’d prefer an 80yo to have to spend a year inside than a 5yo. Decisions have to be made and that’s one that I think, honestly, most people would make.

I don’t understand why we’re prioritising nursing/ residential home patients. If the staff were immunised and the patients aren’t allowed visitors anyway there is no reason they should catch COVID.

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longtimemarried · 06/01/2021 08:10

I am one of the "old folk" and would happily give up my vaccination to someone much younger and who helps keep the economy going.

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BathFullOfEels · 06/01/2021 08:12

But again - if the government had actually used the time in either of the previous lockdowns to actually staff Nightingale Hospitals or, even better, get a supply chain in place for the vaccination this wouldn’t be much of an issue.

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U8myufo · 06/01/2021 08:12

My mam is busy planning in her head all the things we can do as a family when she's 'had her jab'. Places we can go, she says she's coming over as soon as she's had it and staying for a week. I honestly think she expects a full return to her previous life the moment she's had it. I think this will be a problem because many her age will not see any reason for restrictions thereafter. I have said to her that she will still need to follow the restrictions like everyone else until we are advised otherwise.

Skipsurvey · 06/01/2021 08:12

There are no beds in my local hospital, if you are offered a vaccine it is far better to take it and stay out of hospital.

arethereanyleftatall · 06/01/2021 08:12

The problem the government has is this -

You say they're so fucking stupid they should vaccinate X first.
Mrs bloggs says they're so fucking stupid they should vaccinate Y first.
Mrs S says it's fucking outrageous that they close the schools
Mrs p says it's so fucking outrageous that they open the schools.

They cannot win.

FippertyGibbett · 06/01/2021 08:13

My 94 year old MIL and my 77 year old DM won’t be going out after they have had their jabs, they will still have to shield. And they are now too scared to go out anyway.
Therefore it seems reasonable that teachers/teaching staff have their vaccinations and keep the kids in school.

Alexandernevermind · 06/01/2021 08:15

Well I for one would sooner my parents and grandmother have the vaccination before me.

TheGreatWave · 06/01/2021 08:16

Good to see the pointy elbows are out Hmm

Have you seen the graphs showing hospital admissions? Over 85's are really peaking so of course they need to be near the top. It is perhaps in the middle that it should be looked at, the general over 60's waiting a bit longer to get younger ECV or CV done.

treeslets · 06/01/2021 08:17

I'd have thought it made more sense to vaccinate people who work first- in some sort of priority so frontline health care like nurses etc first and so on.