I’m just angry now

[BathFullOfEels]

They knew a vaccine would be the only way of getting us out of this mess. The country has already been locked down twice. Why, why, why didn’t they use this time to set up the logistics of distributing and administering these vaccines?

Why, why, why are the government allowed to decide who to prioritise to receive these vaccines when they were always going to distribute in a way that benefits them. Surely any government with an ounce of realism would be self aware enough to realise that they would make this vaccine distribution a political decision and instead allow the decision to be made by an independent third party who can distribute it in a way that would allow the country to get back to work. Instead it’s likely that months and months down the line we’ll all be forced to go back to work despite still be unprotected.

I have visions of pensioners being able to swan off on holiday over the summer while the workers of the country will still be unable to.

It’s an absolute fucking farce. Watching that press conference last night just finally made it snap for me - they genuinely don’t know what they’re doing at all

Completely agree working age first prioritising the emergency services, army, teachers, retail workers.
Get the schools back opened up properly.
The the knock on effects to children’s life chances is mind blowing health, mental wellbeing, academic attainment, social skills the list is endless- kids cannot keep putting their crucial developmental years on pause while the government figure this out.
It’s sickening the way it played out.
Absolute farce from start to finish.

“Agree, OP. I've still not seen a single person effectively explain why the fuck we are vaccinating 90-100 year olds and isolating small children. It's fucking insane”

You likely have seen the explanation but not understood it. It’s been explained clearly on this thread several times now.

Mumski45 Beautifully put.

But RedToothBrush, I think you win the thread for producing actual data.
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@longtimemarried - well I wouldn't. Cannot wait to get my jab - would pay for it if I could.

I think they have got the vaccine priority about right. They are giving the vaccine to the most vulnerable who eill suffer the effects of the virus most severely.

Completely agree working age first prioritising the emergency services, army, teachers, retail workers.
Get the schools back opened up properly.

Do you actually understand why schools have been closed? Vaccinating teachers will make no difference.

@CarolEffingBaskin I found your post funny and agree with you in many ways that elderly are being prioritised far too much in this pandemic BUT - I don't understand why anyone thinks not giving the elderly the vaccine first makes any sense?

Hospital beds are full of mainly people that are elderly so surely vaccinating them will was pressure off the NHs which is the whole point of this.

haggertyjane I’m not pissed off about soft play being closed . I’m pissed off that an entire generation of kids face missing about 18 months of schooling and socialisation. Kids aren’t allowed to see family and friends for months either, it’s not just the elderly.

People under 50 on the whole need to be less scared. Statistically speaking you do not need a vaccine because the overwhelming likelihood is that you will not die or even need hospital. Yes some people are very unlucky and it's not predictable but nearly all younger people will be OK.

I'm an NHS worker and I caught it at work. Loads of us have. I know lots and lots of people who have had it and it felt like a bad dose of the flu for all of us.

Two weeks off work (and that's the bit that's killing the NHS) and DH and I are completely fine again. DC never even had any symptoms.

The reason schools are closed is not to protect teachers. It is to stop children spreading Covid to their families and them being hospitalised.

If we stop people being hospitalised we can reopen schools and get on with life. That's all we need to do.

Those who think over 80s should just be left to die 80% of them survive and could benefit from hospital admission not ITU but oxygen and fluids etc. Would you really say they shouldn't be offered even that and just be left to die in a care home without even any qualified staff to assist them? Because I seem to recall people were up in arms about ' forced DNR' and blanket no admission policies....

@BathFullOfEels I completely agree!

[quote EasterIssland]@Ridcully82 I agree with part of your comment but not the wfh bit, sorry but some of us wfh still care about others and can see why the vaccination order is right. most of those that dont agree with the list are most likely the ones furloughed so that they can go back to work (which I dont blame wanting to work...) please dont add more "hate" towards other set of people[/quote]
The WFH but was just to show that shielders can be young with young family's, and be still contributing to society:sometimes it feels like people try to other shielders as frail little old people waiting to shuffle off this mortal coil. And we're not all like that

I agree, Ohthatsgreat. My local Boots gives out the flu vaccine year on year. I'm sure they could manage the new covid one, as it only requires normal refrigeration.

We need those most vulnerable to covid vaccinated and less likely to need hospital treatment.
That way the nhs has capacity to care for cancer, heart disease etc. It'll be a long slog out of this but I think we're starting to turn the corner.

However, our useless government have been too late and too wishy washy with every response to this pandemic.

I’m retired, my husband is self employed so we are living off my pension and supporting my 84 year old DM who was unable to get her vaccination due to being diagnosed with pneumonia the day before. We can self isolate and shield easily but we rely on health staff, shop workers and worry about family who teach and who still have to go into work to support the children of key workers and those who are vulnerable, they should have the vaccine first, then they will keep us safe.

@Flaxmeadow

The hatred towards elderly people on here is mind blowing

I really don't think it is hatred towards old people but more a growing realisation that we are sacrificing our children's entire futures in order to give the over 80s a year or two of extra life.

Every death is tragic but being brutally honest when the average life expectancy in the UK is 81.4 and the average age of death from Covid is 82., plus once you get over 80 you have a 1 in 10 chance every year of dying anyway then deaths in the over 80 whilst undeniably tragic and sad are to be blunt not unexpected.

Yeah, those fucking care home residents who will now be able to swan off on holiday.I'm reporting this thread, it's disgusting. MNHQ will not do anything though as they don't care about the rampant ageism on the site.

Perhaps OP you can advise the government on how to properly roll out the vaccine, as you seem to know so much better than the experts. You can explain to them the benefits of prioritising the vaccination of those least likely to end up in hospital with Covid or die from it.

I knew vaccine bashing threads would start and here we are. There was one yesterday and now this.

@arethereanyleftatall

The problem the government has is this -

You say they're so fucking stupid they should vaccinate X first.
Mrs bloggs says they're so fucking stupid they should vaccinate Y first.
Mrs S says it's fucking outrageous that they close the schools
Mrs p says it's so fucking outrageous that they open the schools.

They cannot win.

Exactly - the government could never be able to win. One government trying to please an entire nation. Of course the elderly should be at the top of the list it’s a no brainer for me. They’re the most likely to die from this awful virus. Plus front line NHS staff and care workers. Even achieving that is going to be a slow process. There is no magic wand. As for schools closing, it was a very last resort. I think that was obvious. Maybe if the nation as a whole had followed the rules properly in the first place, it wouldn’t have come to this. I’m pretty sure everyone knows someone who broke the rules. Multiple that by whatever. Who knows, I’m probably wrong. None of us really could have done anything differently as a leader of a very highly populated country and please everyone. It’s not possible.

Sorry I don't agree, a full half of our department is off with covid, some won't be back for weeks because they are very unwell. I'm supposed to do 6 hours a day then 1.5 hours of paperwork, I'm doing 12 hours today because of the staff shortage and some of our seriously ill patients will go unseen today because I don't have time to see them. Its not just hopsitals it the community as well.

all working age people so the country can work again, then 60+.
You do realise that people aged 60-66 are part of the working population?

Know a lot of kids who live on their own do you OP? And were schools, nurseries etc not open until Christmas?

@tappitytaptap

I’ve always believed that kids are the priority in the population

That's your belief in relation to your kids, most probably. Others may have a different opinion, shocking, isn't it?

Covoid agree with you.
So why the hell are we being told that ICU is full of the early 50s and under?
That long Covid is decimating the lives of young fit marathon runners as standard.

@Flaxmeadow

The hatred towards elderly people on here is mind blowing

True

In a so callled wealthy country people should not be pitted against each other. London versus the North. Scotland versus England. Old against young. This simply should not be allowed to happen and the flames are being fanned.

The only way to not prioritise the elderly and get people back to work is if you don’t treat them (except palliatives in situ). Do people not understand this or are they just not willing to say it?

I do think the above is an argument to put the very old in homes low down the priority list, especially those with low quality of life and limited life expectancy. However, we would need to make this decision after public debate and openly, and not by putting pens in the hands of the elderly and confused and getting them to sign DNR forms.

However, the plain elderly, who have quality of life and meaningful life expectancy do need to be prioritised, both morally and practically. Do you really want to tell a 75 year old who is a useful member of an extended family and has a keen interest in life that if she gets COVID, she will only be treated palliatives yard home?!

If we get the over 60s vaccinated (even better over 50), the rest of the population can just treat Covid as a bad flu and get on with normal life. Some will become hospitalised and a few will die, but hospitals will easily cope.