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There is nothing in my children’s lives

708 replies

Howdydooo · 05/01/2021 01:01

It’s all been taken away again.

I know it’s a pandemic. I know it’s temporary (but don’t know how temporary).

Screens are no substitute for friends.

They will not be fooled again by home structure and schooling. They have nowhere to go, no one to see and nowhere to go. And they know how long it went on for last time.

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Empressofthemundane · 07/01/2021 10:11

atswim2birds

Wow, you’ve managed to minimise both human mortality and the suffering of children.

I don’t believe anyone on this thread wants to callously leave the old to die unnecessarily. But nor do we want to minimise the developmental harm to children and young people.

When this is over, real thought should be given to how to catch kids up and how to launch young adults into life and work so we don’t lose a generation.

MarshaBradyo · 07/01/2021 10:14

bleak, extreme posts about children's mental health

Read up on changing stats on this. And on home life due to other impact eg financial.

Sirius99 · 07/01/2021 10:19

How do you think the evacuees got on, My Dad and his sister were evacuated out of Southampton, ages 5,7, never saw their parents again, how do you think they coped, a little lockdown and social distancing and home schooling isn’t that bad in the scheme of things

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 07/01/2021 10:20

Phrases like "lose a generation" are catastrophising amd really unhelpful. This hasn't been going on for 15 years! You don't lose a gereration because they had fewer opportunities to socialise and travel for a year or even two! Yes, its shit socially for those who's sixth form experience wasn't all they hoped for, or were expecting to be on gap years or those doing undergraduate degrees, but they aren't "lost"!

Talking about a lost generation is ridiculous especially as summer was fairly relaxed and this has been going on for 11 months, not 11 years!

atswim2birds · 07/01/2021 10:22

No it's not. What's sociopathic is locking children away. Death is inevitable. It cannot be avoided forever. People dying at an old age is sad for individuals but it's also incredibly normal

My childrens grandparents are not hugely old, they could live another 20 years. But covid would almost certainly kill one of them, at least. This is not normal deaths, this is a pandemic. My children are not locked away, they are not in prison, they are fine and happy. We are not willing to let their grandmother die so that they can go to school. You are.

I think that letting our elderly and vulnerable die unnecessary deaths because you can't keep your own children relatively happy for a short lockdown is sickening. And that people who advocate this are sociopathic.

atswim2birds · 07/01/2021 10:24

and lets not forget your children were in school right up until Xmas, many were in on Monday, and there was huge mixing at christmas, so dial back on the "children locked up for a year" bollocks in an attempt to justify the culling of our old and vulnerable citizens, ok? Drama queens stand down.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 07/01/2021 10:24

Self fulfilling prophecies are a very real thing. If you tell your children their lives are bleak, empty and hopeless and cry about their lost childhood in front of them and no bloody wonder they're unhappy - but even if parents think they're keeping their catastrophising to themselves and not spelling it out to their children, of course the doom and gloom attitude is transparently obvious and contageous.

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme · 07/01/2021 10:26

atswim2birds exactly. Children have not been locked away.

formerbabe · 07/01/2021 10:29

We are not willing to let their grandmother die so that they can go to school

So how much time out if school are you willing to tolerate? Would you be willing to never send them again if it meant a guaranteed number of extra years life? How about cars? People die on the roads every day..shall we ban cars to save lives? At some point you need to balance being able to live a normal life versus saving lives.

atswim2birds · 07/01/2021 10:32

So how much time out if school are you willing to tolerate? Would you be willing to never send them again if it meant a guaranteed number of extra years life?

Ridiculous. The vaccine is here, its just a matter of roll out. They'll be back in school in a matter of weeks.

How about cars? People die on the roads every day..shall we ban cars to save lives?
Straw man whataboutery. You have to know the weakness in your argument to engage in such

At some point you need to balance being able to live a normal life versus saving lives

That point is NOT at the worst peak of a global pandemic.

Fucks sake, what is actually wrong with you?

formerbabe · 07/01/2021 10:33

Anyway my own parents died years ago..my dc don't have grandparents useless mil doesn't count Quite honestly I don't care enough about other children's grandparents enough to see my own dc stuck at home unable to go to school, steadily feeling more and more isolated.

corythatwas · 07/01/2021 10:33

No it's not. What's sociopathic is locking children away. Death is inevitable. It cannot be avoided forever.

Children with underlying health conditions such as asthma are not, of course, children. Their death is inevitable and cannot be avoided forever. You can't expect proper children to have their freedom curtailed for even a month for their sake.

And knowing that their friends' parents don't give a shit about their education or their survival is bound to be good for their mental health. Toughen them up and that.

formerbabe · 07/01/2021 10:36

Ridiculous. The vaccine is here, its just a matter of roll out. They'll be back in school in a matter of weeks

Like fuck they will. I predict next September. Why weren't they back last may/june when rates were low? But it doesn't matter...they should be grateful they're not in Yemen or being people trafficked apparently.

reprehensibleme · 07/01/2021 10:38

UntilYourNextHairBrainedScheme, agree - there was a doctor interviewed during the first lockdown bemoaning the disaster of lockdown for children, their mental health, their education, socialising etc, with her 10 year old daughter sitting on her knee soaking it all up!

formerbabe · 07/01/2021 10:45

@corythatwas

How many children have died of covid? I'm looking for figures online but I think the number is still under twenty. Tragic nonetheless. However, it is not reasonable to expect all children who are not ecv to live like this to protect those who are. Ecv children should be shielded to protect them whilst everyone else gets on with life.

DrNOmeansNO · 07/01/2021 10:49

You’re right, you can’t compare today to war because it is so much easier. Guessing OP has a phone or electrical device to write message on here in the first place. With today’s technology children and adults have INSTANT access to communicating with others - not like writing a letter and waiting weeks for a response. Again, if the title of the thread was something different - perhaps about being worried about her child’s mental health we could all sympathise, but saying they have nothing is ludicrous. No wonder this country is in such a bloody mess when people expect the moon on a stick at every given moment. Before covid I was regularly helping out with homes less shelters where people brought their children with them for a weeks worth of our homemade sandwiches for their dinners for the entire week!! Those peoples children have nothing and they still went away with a smile on their faces. Honestly... people really need a reality check.

atswim2birds · 07/01/2021 10:54

Quite honestly I don't care enough about other children's grandparents enough to see my own dc stuck at home unable to go to school, steadily feeling more and more isolated.

Clearly. Fortunately for everyone, most of us are not like you. You actually disgust me.

formerbabe · 07/01/2021 10:56

Bizarre...why on earth would I care more about random elderly people than my own DC?

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Itsnotlikethiswithotherpeople · 07/01/2021 11:01

@0gfhty

It's completely wrong. I find the callings for online learning worse since it can create such an unhealthy relationship between parent and child. Not to mention the societal inequality it creates. It feels like it would be more honest to say the schools and children activities are closed and we are not providing an education for now.
Agreed
Empressofthemundane · 07/01/2021 11:01

I think people are failing to recognise the difference between living in relative isolation for a few days or weeks vs it’s cumulative affects when compounded for a year.

I also think they are failing to recognise that human brains are different at different stages of life.

formerbabe · 07/01/2021 11:02

Your childrens real problem is not the pandemic or the restrictions, its having you for a mother. Poor kids

Seriously...get lost and I'm saying that politely.

Like most mums on here, I post to vent..I put on my fucking smiley face every day for my kids and pretend it's not a big deal...but yeah I'm a shit mum clearly. Cheers

MarshaBradyo · 07/01/2021 11:04

@Empressofthemundane

I think people are failing to recognise the difference between living in relative isolation for a few days or weeks vs it’s cumulative affects when compounded for a year.

I also think they are failing to recognise that human brains are different at different stages of life.

Empress you post sensibly but this thread is too skewed for it to be understood
atswim2birds · 07/01/2021 11:04

but yeah I'm a shit mum clearly. Cheers

Read back over your posts. You openly admit that you would prefer elderly and vulnerable people to DIE rather than your kids have a bit of time off school.
I'm not kidding with sociopathic, thats not a jibe, its an accurate description for someone with that attitude. Seriously, if you don't like that, take a good look at yourself, not at me.

WouldBeGood · 07/01/2021 11:05

@atswim2birds what a vile thing to say. Disgusting

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