How long can they expect us to live like this for?

[WithLotsOfSprinkles0]

Can someone please give me some positivity or any ideas of when we can regain some normality?

Mental health, domestic abuse and suicidal rates are all rising more than ever, children losing out education, people losing jobs, economy crashing ...the collateral damage is far worse.

We have a 1 in a million chance of dying from Covid yet we are living like this, a virus with a survival rate over 99% and were living like this.

Not saying we shouldn't take precautions, such as distancing, washing hands, window visits for elderly and vulnerable etc..but for us to live like this for something that has such a small chance at killing us, is just stupid beyond words.

Is there any chance all this can stop by April? Lighter restrictions? My mental health is suffering and I honestly cant take this anymore

@onedayinthefuture

What I hate most about this pandemic is people spurting out the same old rubbish that the sooner everyone does as their told, the sooner we'll be out of this. It makes my blood boil to hear such stupidity. Are people that thick? We have a country full of essential workers, be it healthcare or food factory workers, not to mention emergency services, the list goes on. Too many people cannot physically work from home, even if all schools are shut, the virus is STILL out there ready and waiting and in the main infecting people at work, school or hospitals. Those people are NOT spreading it or catching it on purpose.

I would argue this virus is very much seasonal as well, we were kept in lockdown for FAR TOO FUCKING LONG in the spring and summer. They kept saying it's not time, it's not time yet and kids missed months of education knowing full well, everyone would be back in the autumn. They knew the second wave would be worse in the winter so why the hell did kids not get their rightful education in the summer? It's been hysteria driven, this whole time.

Thank you for posting this. I often feel alone in my opinions and rarely post on these threads, but felt compelled to post a response. The whole what appears to be quite a common opinion - ‘The quicker we all comply, the quicker it will all be over!’ I find especially mind boggling!

[quote Foreveraintenough]**@WithLotsOfSprinkles0* I could get ran over by a car and die, and if I'm positive for Covid, it goes in the Covid death statistics.*

Ah ok, sorry op. I thought you genuinely were struggling and offered advice on the basis of this. I didn’t realise this was another one of those pretend to be anxious about covid but really want to rant about how it’s a conspiracy.[/quote]
I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, covid is real.

I'm questioning the reliability of the statistics. People are dying of other causes and yet if you test positive for covid, it goes down on covid on the death certificate, that's a fact. I dont see how that's a conspiracy.

Sprinkles, the chances of having CV and then dying of something completely unrelated within a month are pretty slim. Some will have been run over/fallen down stairs, but the vast vast majority of people dying within a month of a positive test will have had their lives shortened by Covid.

And the excess death figure is incontrovertible.

Put it this way, if we all ignore the rules and do whatever seems right in the moment, do you really think the number of deaths will go down?

the NHS is secondary to that for me

...right up to the point you or your children need it at which point I'm sure you'll be as quick in demanding "your rights" as the next person.

The mortality rate for under 50’s is tiny yet everyone in that age group is having to live like this. Hopefully it will be done and dusted just in time for next winter and another 5 months of shit weather and dark nights. Brilliant.

What happened with the lorries and Dover was not the sort of thing SAGE is responsible for

But either its about being concerned about the spread of a virus or its not. You cant have it both ways.

And they were actually partially responsible. The press conference where they and the Gov. said the virus was out of control plus headlines like MUTANT COVID was to try and ensure Christmas compliance. But backfired when other countries reacted the way they did.

Either you are concerned about the threat to public health or you arent.

I also agree with @onedayinthefuture

The government don't know so how can we?

Well if people keep breaking the rules we'll be in lockdown even longer, why do people think the rules don't apply to them

So mind boggling the cognitive dissonance of SAGE only being responsible when it suits.

@Mor12 the hospitals are full of people in their 40s, 50s and 60s. If they run out of beds then the mortality rate among those age groups will rocket.

@Porcupineintherough

the NHS is secondary to that for me

...right up to the point you or your children need it at which point I'm sure you'll be as quick in demanding "your rights" as the next person.

My husband has MS so I know a thing or two about ‘needing’ the NHS. It still doesn’t change the fact that the NHS is a service. A services paid for by the great British public and their tax money. If that dries up then the NHS will cease to function anyway. Therefore the NHS is secondary to many other things of greater importance in my life. In any case; you know what you can do with your sanctimonious tone...

I think restrictions will continue in some form or another for another year probably - dialling up and down like they did this year.

At the start I remember some of the virologists/experts saying two years start to finish was a likely prognosis.

I am sorry you are feeling so low OP. If you really feel like you can no longer cope I hope you get some professional help

@WithLotsOfSprinkles0 your agenda is crystal clear! Start off with faux concern for your mental health Can someone please give me some positivity or any ideas of when we can regain some normality? My mental health is suffering and I honestly cant take this anymore

Then when other posters such as myself take the time to give you tips on how to deal with next set of restrictions in good faith you ignore those posts in favour of pedalling your own agenda to spread misinformation and try turn people against following the rules.

No it is not a fact they are recording a car crash as a covid death. Where do you get your ‘facts’ - Facebook??? the article below fact checks for Ireland all the baseless claims you and your like are pedalling online.

www.thejournal.ie/how-are-covid-19-probable-deaths-counted-5102540-Jul2020/

Revised new measure of U.K. deaths making sure not to include things like car crashes which means all deaths being reported currently do not include things like this.

www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711

You make me sick. People like you coming on here and preying on people’s worries and insecurities, pretending you’ve a mental health issue. Ranting on spreading fake facts. It’s disgusting.

"You make me sick. People like you coming on here and preying on people’s worries and insecurities, pretending you’ve a mental health issue. Ranting on spreading fake facts. It’s disgusting."

Couldn't agree more.

@Xerochrysum

"You make me sick. People like you coming on here and preying on people’s worries and insecurities, pretending you’ve a mental health issue. Ranting on spreading fake facts. It’s disgusting."

Couldn't agree more.

Agreed

Sprinkles, the chances of having CV and then dying of something completely unrelated within a month are pretty slim. Some will have been run over/fallen down stairs, but the vast vast majority of people dying within a month of a positive test will have had their lives shortened by Covid.

And the excess death figure is incontrovertible.

I'm not sure. If you're brought into hospital with a heart attack or stroke you'll be tested for COVID. A fair bit of transmission is happening in hospitals so you may well test positive but if you have major cardiovascular event i would have thought that most likely to kill you. Not always but mostly.

Re excess deaths. Interesting figures on the BBC. 11% excess deaths for the time if year but much less people dying of other causes this year. Something doesnt add up here

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

If you scroll down to the graph just above the R Number. There is something very odd about this. Apparently no excess deaths at all that aren't COVID. How is that possible with all the delays in diagnosis and treatment for cancer and people's reluctance to attend A&E for heart attacks and strokes etc? I may be reading it wrong but would be interested to hear others views on this

Pretending like I have mental health worries, how the fuck would any of you know what my mental health is like?

You might not like it but people are dying with Covis not because of it. I'm not saying Covid wouldn't shorten someone's life who has pneumonia etc but someone who is healthy it wouldn't kill them.

Your putting words in my mouth.

I'm questioning statistics, what goes on death certificates and positive tests results, people are out there swabbing empty tests and muddly puddle and its coming back positive!

That may not suit your agenda but the fact it's TRUE

@WithLotsOfSprinkles0

Pretending like I have mental health worries, how the fuck would any of you know what my mental health is like?

You might not like it but people are dying with Covis not because of it. I'm not saying Covid wouldn't shorten someone's life who has pneumonia etc but someone who is healthy it wouldn't kill them.

Your putting words in my mouth.

I'm questioning statistics, what goes on death certificates and positive tests results, people are out there swabbing empty tests and muddly puddle and its coming back positive!

That may not suit your agenda but the fact it's TRUE

No it isn't. It isn't true.

"Medical conditions" cover all sorts of categories; people with diabetes for example might have decades to live of apparently "normal" healthy life and have this cut short by covid.

Listen to the scientists.

I'm not sure. If you're brought into hospital with a heart attack or stroke you'll be tested for COVID

BonnieDundee both heart attacks and strokes - particularly in younger people - are covid outcomes. Covis isn't just a respiratory disease, it's a disease of the whole body. One of the things I've been tested for is kidney failure (which thankfully so far has been negative) because that's a thing amongst Long Covid people.

Everyone has totally ignored my post about Lond Covid, which I think speaks volumes. This isn't a die-or-survive-and-be-fine disease at all.

All strokes and heart attacks are not attributable to COVID. People had strokes and heart attacks all the time before COVID. I guess the same number of strokes and heart attacks still happen without COVID. And that non COVID related stroke or heart attack may still kill you. But because you likely caught COVID in hospital and were tested (routinely) for it you will go down as a covid death. Given the number of people who died of strokes and heart attacks before covid this is not an insignificant number

Asking because I genuinely dont know the answer to this, does anybody working on the wards know if I get admitted and test positive, how often do I get tested and if so, do multiple tests count as a case or is it just one case per person?

I think it’s pointless arguing over what people died of. The restrictions aren’t to stop people dying anyway. They are to decrease the vast numbers of people with covid who are admitted requiring oxygen. If there are too many of them and not enough beds then more people will die “of covid” at home before even making it to hospital. But maybe people would be happy then knowing it’s a true covid death?
Also, more people would then die of other things too as they also wouldn’t be able to receive hospital care either.
I don’t really think the official death toll is what the government are using as the basis for their decisions. It’s just a rough readout of the impact of the virus. It can presumably also be used as a measure of the impact of restrictions and availability of hospital care etc.

@ArcheryAnnie

I'm not sure. If you're brought into hospital with a heart attack or stroke you'll be tested for COVID

BonnieDundee both heart attacks and strokes - particularly in younger people - are covid outcomes. Covis isn't just a respiratory disease, it's a disease of the whole body. One of the things I've been tested for is kidney failure (which thankfully so far has been negative) because that's a thing amongst Long Covid people.

Everyone has totally ignored my post about Lond Covid, which I think speaks volumes. This isn't a die-or-survive-and-be-fine disease at all.

It’s a possible cause of heart attacks or strokes. It’s not the only cause. Or are you suggesting that the person is only having a heart attack or stroke because they have COVID?

No. I was quoting someone else. what I'm saying is that there have always been non covid related heart attacks and strokes so the chances are that the same number of heart attacks and strokes are still happening but because of transmission in hospitals it is likely that a non covid heart attack or stroke death will be recorded a covid death because they caught it when they came into hospital