How long can they expect us to live like this for?

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Can someone please give me some positivity or any ideas of when we can regain some normality?

Mental health, domestic abuse and suicidal rates are all rising more than ever, children losing out education, people losing jobs, economy crashing ...the collateral damage is far worse.

We have a 1 in a million chance of dying from Covid yet we are living like this, a virus with a survival rate over 99% and were living like this.

Not saying we shouldn't take precautions, such as distancing, washing hands, window visits for elderly and vulnerable etc..but for us to live like this for something that has such a small chance at killing us, is just stupid beyond words.

Is there any chance all this can stop by April? Lighter restrictions? My mental health is suffering and I honestly cant take this anymore

@GravityFalls

There are 68 million people in this country, and 71000 have died of COVID this year.

68000000/71000=957. So basically 1 in every 1000 people in this country have died of Covid THIS YEAR. 1 in 3 people don’t get cancer every year.

The mean age of Covid deaths is 78.7 for a man and 82.5 for a woman

The median age is 81 for a man and 85 for a woman

So a thirty year old woman does NOT have a 1 in a 1000 chance of dying of Covid!! It's much, much less. And it's much higher for an 85 year old woman, but her life expectancy in years is very short.

Those figures are also around the average life expectancy.

We are going to look back on this and wonder what on earth we were thinking, giving up our civil liberties, giving up 1 precious year of our 80 years, ruining our children's education to avoid something that has an average age of death exactly the same as the average life expectancy.

Utter madness.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12376averageageofdeathmedianandmeanofpersonswhosedeathwasduetocovid19orinvolvedcovid19bysexdeathsregistereduptoweekending2october2020englandandwales

@southeastdweller

4. Mental health seems to be a joker in this country devalving it to the point that those who really have actual medical mental health issues are brushed aside and/or struggle to find real help.

@TheSunIsStillShining What the hell does that weirdly cryptic comment mean? Who's joking about mental health?

Nobody is joking. I refered to a "joker" card from a pack of cards. Or a get out of jail free card if a monopoly reference is more suited to this country.

What I was trying to say that there is quite a difference between bog common anxiety and proper, medication needed, chemical imbalance induced anxiety. This is just an example though.
I see that in this country everyone and their dog always have MH issues over common things that eg. might stress you out or make you angry or frustrated. Which are normal feelings and we deal with them constantly.

Meaning that mh services have to deal with moody people who can't act as grown ups and have less time/resources for those who really need it. Half the ppl citing MH issues just need to get a grip/grow up.

In no way I am berating those who genuinely have mh issues, but the majority is not that.

I’m having a hard time at present. We relied on our garden but the last few weeks it’s been very wet, cold and icy, and it’s too much for a toddler. All of the places we’d normally go in this weather at closed. Hoping it will warm up soon so we can potter around outdoors and play on the swing. Not holding out hope for much more than that tbh.

@pollylocketpickedapocket ex-fucking-actly.

As of August, 300,000 fewer referals for suspected cancer. Who fucking knew?! Covid is the cancer cure we've all been waiting for. Or not.

I am. So. Fucking. Angry. Even more so because I respect others' fears and keep my distance but fuck fuck FUCK!! How fucking DARE we prioritise one life threatening illness over another?

I agree OP, this is awful and it can't go on.

Covid is shit but locking down normal life and sending us into massive recession is not a good answer. Covid is not the only fucking bad thing in life or the only risk in play here.

The point of life is not to stay alive as long as possible, locked away from other people, poor and miserable. Quality of Life is more important . Love, freedom, work, fun, family, friends, coffee mornings and clubs, school, snogging random strangers on NYE. Any and all of the things that make life worth living.

I would rather take my chances than carry on locked up this way. If vulnerable people choose to shield they should be supported to do so. The rest of us need to get on with life.

@Tootsey11 thanks for inviting us to your pity party. I also have chronic health problems. However, that does not mean that I can’t feel bad for someone else who is suffering. There is no hierarchy of suffering.

@TheSunIsStillShining I partly see your point re mental health, I can see how self diagnosed mh issues were overstated to some extent even before covid. But this has been extremely hard on many of us. It’s the uncertainty, it’s the lack of logic in some of the decisions that have been made, it’s the inconsistency. The financial side of things is causing a lot of concerns, it’s not just adjusting to altered circumstances, it’s a matter of actual survival. Some of us fall completely and utterly between the cracks of the system and aren’t entitled to any financial support. It is heartbreaking and incredibly stressful.

@queenofknives yes!!! Exactly

I remember back in April having this conversation with my dad, we asked ‘at what point would everyone start rioting and stop following the rules ?’

We laughed and said if it was STILL going on in SIX months then there would probably be a revolution!

Yet we’ve all complied. Will we still be complying in 5 years ? ...

It's not just death rate, it's nhs capacity. It's teachers in schools. It's care staff. It's anyone exposed to public in confined spaces.

The nhs is on its knees. My staff and I are exhausted. We don't deal with predominantly COVID, we're looking after the poorly, the deconditioned, the those who have had strokes, long term conditions and the dying. Quite honestly we're giving a shit service and every day is bloody awful.

COVID outcomes are likely related to viral load, younger people with high exposure are getting poorly. I've very elderly patients doing ok, we've younger staff who still aren't well months later. I'm still not back to my normal months later, I'm struggling to climb stairs.

Honestly I feel how shit the situation is but we've got a vaccine now which should help to manage nhs capacity and reduce risk to other vulnerable people. Just a bit longer.

Fucking hell, so the motto, it's okay not to be okay should be scrapped?

People feel suicidal over a divorce? A job loss, sometimes over nothing in particular and they dont even understand why but woah we are depressed by covid and that's not okay?

southeastdweller
4. Mental health seems to be a joker in this country devalving it to the point that those who really have actual medical mental health issues are brushed aside and/or struggle to find real help.

@TheSunIsStillShining What the hell does that weirdly cryptic comment mean? Who's joking about mental health?
Nobody is joking. I refered to a "joker" card from a pack of cards. Or a get out of jail free card if a monopoly reference is more suited to this country.

What I was trying to say that there is quite a difference between bog common anxiety and proper, medication needed, chemical imbalance induced anxiety. This is just an example though.
I see that in this country everyone and their dog always have MH issues over common things that eg. might stress you out or make you angry or frustrated. Which are normal feelings and we deal with them constantly.

Meaning that mh services have to deal with moody people who can't act as grown ups and have less time/resources for those who really need it. Half the ppl citing MH issues just need to get a grip/grow up.

In no way I am berating those who genuinely have mh issues, but the majority is not that.

@TheSunIsStillShining Mental health issues cover a hell of a lot. Who the hell are you to belittle someone else's 'bog standard' anxiety?

What I hate most about this pandemic is people spurting out the same old rubbish that the sooner everyone does as their told, the sooner we'll be out of this. It makes my blood boil to hear such stupidity. Are people that thick? We have a country full of essential workers, be it healthcare or food factory workers, not to mention emergency services, the list goes on. Too many people cannot physically work from home, even if all schools are shut, the virus is STILL out there ready and waiting and in the main infecting people at work, school or hospitals. Those people are NOT spreading it or catching it on purpose.

I would argue this virus is very much seasonal as well, we were kept in lockdown for FAR TOO FUCKING LONG in the spring and summer. They kept saying it's not time, it's not time yet and kids missed months of education knowing full well, everyone would be back in the autumn. They knew the second wave would be worse in the winter so why the hell did kids not get their rightful education in the summer? It's been hysteria driven, this whole time.

I've really had enough. We've been in tier 3 for months. And now gone into 4, despite numbers dropping. I just don't care anymore.

"We are going to look back on this and wonder what on earth we were thinking, giving up our civil liberties, giving up 1 precious year of our 80 years, ruining our children's education to avoid something that has an average age of death exactly the same as the average life expectancy."

But that is not what we are doing! Very sadly, 25 -30٪ of very frail older adults are not expected to survive a hospital admission with covid. But they require a hospital bed. Often for a fairly long time. Over 20% of uk hospital beds are now occupied by covid. Which didn't exist a year ago when our hospitals were pretty stretched already. Other conditions have mot stopped happening. But now staff are getting sick so fewer beds can be open. Staff are often female aged 35-60, so highest risk for long covid which is a truly awful condition, affecting about 2-10٪. More beds closed.
So, brutally, this isn't about the deaths of older frailty adults with short life expectancy.
If you want treatment for your child's sepsis, your cousins car crash, your breast cancer, your husbands prostate disease, your mothers hip arthritis, your neighbours stroke...we need the staff healthy and the beds available. So we need to wear masks, wash hands, stay at home, and get vaccinated.
Or you will look back on now as the good times.

Either have a full lockdown or don't. The tier System isn't working.

I’m struggling too. I’m pregnant at the moment and that’s the only thing keeping me going. I don’t even want to think about the thoughts I’d be having otherwise. That said, I’m worried about the world my baby will be born into and whether he’ll have the opportunities he would otherwise have. I hope things are better by the time he’s here.

The mean age of Covid deaths is 78.7 for a man and 82.5 for a woman

The median age is 81 for a man and 85 for a woman

The median ages in the second statement include all those who've died shortly after birth or during childhood, etc. Those dying of Covid have already survived childhood - their expected median life spans are therefore higher. OK, they haven't got an remaining life expectancy that's hugely long, but but it's significantly greater than the 2.5 years implied by the whole life expectancy.

[quote bluebellscorner]@TheSunIsStillShining 3% would be about 2 million dead. Not accurate[/quote]
Only if everyone had already had Covid.

168000 people a year die of cancer, or around 450 every single day.

400,000 people died last year of malaria. Where’s the outrage about that?

I really can’t do this any more
It’s not just my mental health - my quality of life is low due to not being able to get help for my physical health (still waiting on 2 surgeries)
Will have to give up work soon due to the above
DP has been out of work since June he is suicidal and I’m struggling to prop him up both financially and emotionally
DM has dementia and services are letting her down big style
I try and pull myself together then think I just really don’t want to be here with this pain and struggle any more

Speaking of nousing up the vaccine rollout.

twitter.com/HelenRSalisbury/status/1344411876097142797?s=20

Dr Helen Salisbury
@HelenRSalisbury
Can I ask
@MattHancock
to come & do a shift on our phones, ringing our 80+ pts to explain that their 2nd dose of vaccine has been cancelled?
Our PCN needs to cancel 1160 appts & rebook another 1160. At 5 mins per phone call, that's 193 hours work. Not to mention the grief & anger

@Redbrickwall suffering is not being able to go to the cinema, or to soft play or a restaurant. Suffering is those with cancer, Ms, dementia and chronic long term conditions etc.

Where did I say just me? I said 'people' who are worse off. Some on here do not know the meaning of the word suffering.

Learn to read hun

queen of knqueenofknives ** exactly!!!