How long can they expect us to live like this for?

[WithLotsOfSprinkles0]

Can someone please give me some positivity or any ideas of when we can regain some normality?

Mental health, domestic abuse and suicidal rates are all rising more than ever, children losing out education, people losing jobs, economy crashing ...the collateral damage is far worse.

We have a 1 in a million chance of dying from Covid yet we are living like this, a virus with a survival rate over 99% and were living like this.

Not saying we shouldn't take precautions, such as distancing, washing hands, window visits for elderly and vulnerable etc..but for us to live like this for something that has such a small chance at killing us, is just stupid beyond words.

Is there any chance all this can stop by April? Lighter restrictions? My mental health is suffering and I honestly cant take this anymore

It’s not just your risk of dying from covid though is it, it’s he impact of having lots of other people with COVID taking up resources you may need for any reason you need it. If you need an ambulance in my area even for a heart attack, stroke, seizure, accident you will be waiting hours. People are dying in ambulances having been sat outside a&e for hours waiting for a bed. They aren’t all dying from COVID but are not getting the medical care they need because hospitals are so stretched. If you’re lucky enough not to die from COVID you may never work again, or be able to live independently again. People are surviving COVID but have long term life changing effects from it such as a tracheotomy or needing an oxygen feed constantly. And these are not just old people either in case you think that makes it ok (which is wouldn’t)

@Comefromaway

They can’t expect us to live like this.

I’ve followed all the rules, I like rules.

But I’ve had enough. I’m not doing it any longer.

I feel just like this. I followed the rules religiously to begin with, no I’ve just lost faith. I remember thinking “3 weeks, that’s not issue” and got stuck right into the spirit of it. Now I’m so worn down. I just want to take my toddler on a play date and switch off fireman Sam! (Yes I know I can do that anyway....)

@GravityFalls

It isn’t a one in a million chance of dying of COVID though - in the most blunt way of expressing it, 1 in 1000 people in this country have died of covid this year.

Yet 1 in 3 of us will get cancer

Yes and the treatment for that is delayed!!!

I think be said it before on this forum but I think we are going to have to live like this for a very long time, as no one is willing to tolerate any level of risk in connection with covid. A Canadian friend said that their entertainment industry has been told to plan for the closures to last until 2023 - a random fact but it has stuck with me and it’s what I am mentally preparing myself for, as an overall endpoint of sorts

How do you propose we shield cev people? Or don't we count? My DD still has to shop, that's all and her partner do, in an effort to shield me.

Do you think I like being indoors for nine months? Do you think I like restricting my adult child to this extent? Do you think I should just take my chances and drown in my own lung excretions?

What do you suggest?

@GravityFalls

It isn’t a one in a million chance of dying of COVID though - in the most blunt way of expressing it, 1 in 1000 people in this country have died of covid this year.

Are you absolutely sure that the mortality is 0.1%? It’s 0.01%, is it not?

There are 68 million people in this country, and 71000 have died of COVID this year.

68000000/71000=957. So basically 1 in every 1000 people in this country have died of Covid THIS YEAR. 1 in 3 people don’t get cancer every year.

"My mental health is suffering and I honestly cant take this anymore"

We are a social species so being denied social contact will have serious implications for any healthy individual. In a bizarre way the restrictions may have a bigger impact on people who are well adapted socially. Those that are less well adapted socially will not suffer as much by being forced to limit social contacts. In fact they may even benefit as they will no longer feel pressurized to socialize when they find it difficult.

So suffering mentally from restrictions is a natural response from a socially well adjusted individual. It might help to externalize the problem rather than internalizing it?

This isn’t how you work out death rates which is why I said it was blunt, but it’s not some rare, massively unusual thing.

You ask a pertinent question, there are questions to be asked about how much control a government should have over individuals. Sadly it’s normally asked by tin foil hat wearing libertarians so it gets batted away.

It’s so hard. Sometimes I want to
Cry and scream and bang the floor. I hate it. But that attitude doesn’t get me anywhere. So I:
Take breaks from the news
Read fiction
Do breathing exercises
Do yoga
Remind myself how fortunate I am in comparison to the vast majority of the worlds population
Am kind to myself
Allow myself to feel down
Do RAIN meditation
Pray
Think of my grandad who was a resistance fighter in WW2
Think of my ex who’s currently dying from CF
Try to be grateful for all I have

This is not a post to make anyone feel guilty for feeling upset and down and fed up
With it all. It DOES suck and everyone’s entitled
To feel however they feel.
But try to find a way through it and accept it for what it is and don’t hold your breath for when it’s over.

Not alone I hate it too

@pollylocketpickedapocket
1 in 3 will get cancer in their lifetime. Not within a year.

@WithLotsOfSprinkles0
If your odds were 1 per million, then we would have 70 deaths in the UK in total. So that’s not quite right.

‘They’ aren’t doing anything ‘to’ us. There’s a pandemic. It’s crap. For all of us. And we must make the most of things until it passes. But it will pass.

@user1471453601

How do you propose we shield cev people? Or don't we count? My DD still has to shop, that's all and her partner do, in an effort to shield me.

Do you think I like being indoors for nine months? Do you think I like restricting my adult child to this extent? Do you think I should just take my chances and drown in my own lung excretions?

What do you suggest?

That’s not what OP is saying. But your post too shows your lack of compassion or empathy for the problems OP has highlighted. Are you in turn saying it’s justified that suicide rates have increased to protect people like you?

There are many people with many competing interests and not everyone is benefiting from the restrictions. Where it might be protecting you, to another is harmful.

This thread will descend into ‘oh, to want to kill my nan, do you?’ And lots of shrieking but it’s still a pertinent question.

@PeteringOut

This thread will descend into ‘oh, to want to kill my nan, do you?’ And lots of shrieking but it’s still a pertinent question.

My kids grandparents are very likely to die because of lockdown. Severe dementia to mil which wasn’t severe at the start and extreme stress to fil caused by caring for her which has already led to suicidal thoughts and resurgence of a physical condition causing hospitalisation. I don’t expect him to last the year.

no one is willing to tolerate any level of risk in connection with covid

There is certainly a level of risk in the tiers approach rather than total lockdown for everyone. That's why the virus is still spreading. Of course, we do need to keep some of the normal aspects of life going where possible, but I'm not convinced we need to make things riskier at this time, particularly with the vaccines now being rolled out.

The mortality rate definitely isn’t 0.01%. It’s between 0.1% and 1%. At the moment it’s closer to 0.1% than 1% I think with all the current treatments but if you can’t get a hospital bed it could well increase.

It’s certainly not one in a million! I assume that’s based on the rate of infection but remember without restrictions your risk of infection is higher than it currently is.

oh god.

1. the death rate is not 1%, but more along the lines of 1-3%.
2. It will go on as long as people are being idiots and don't realize that the virus needs hosts. Wear masks, sanitize, don't crowd and you take away the virus' options to replicate/transmit/mutate. Easy as that. But what is happening is everyone wants "normal". There won't be normal.

And it's not only about deaths. It's about hospitalization and about long term consequences in about 10-30% of patients.

1. Great that there are vaccines, but their sole purpose is to prevent serious illness. Not transmission. And with astrazeneca the efficacy is 65%, so it's very damaging and horrifying that people keep thinking that once vaccinated you can go back to "normal," ditch masks, sd.

There is no evidence that any vaccine limits transmission.

Imagine that 100 people are vaccinated. 65 develop immunity, but can still transmit. Where does that leave the 35 where the vaccine didn't take? Unless everyone follows sensible scientific driven rules (not the clown government's bollocks) there will be no back to normal soon.

1. Mental health seems to be a joker in this country devalving it to the point that those who really have actual medical mental health issues are brushed aside and/or struggle to find real help.

1. losing out on education In reality the whole generation across the globe is losing out on education so it's kind of a level playing field. And it's not written into natural law that they can't have a catch up year if needed. It can be solved if there is a will.

1. Economy crashing If we look around the world places where they kept this virus under control by any means are actually not fucking up their economy so much. I think it's the western mentality of individualism that led govs not to want to introduce harsher measures. So in essence, it's the population's fault that the economy is fucked. If everyone behaved sensibly we'd be in a better place. Eg: not go on holiday to some other place, especially not out of the country.

Instead of wishing on a fairy land where things magically get better people should be looking at it rationally and plan accordingly.

Having a shitshow of a gov doesn't help.

@GravityFalls

There are 68 million people in this country, and 71000 have died of COVID this year.

68000000/71000=957. So basically 1 in every 1000 people in this country have died of Covid THIS YEAR. 1 in 3 people don’t get cancer every year.

More than half of those who have died with (not of) coronavirus are older than the average life expectancy for this country. The majority had more than one life limiting health condition. Notably we are told that coronavirus deaths are "deaths FOR ANY REASON within 28 days of a positive test.

It should be obvious but in a country of roughly 70 million mortals there will be many deaths every year. Even if we all wear masks 24/7 and never come within 2m of another human we will still sadly be mortal.

@bluebellscorner

I think be said it before on this forum but I think we are going to have to live like this for a very long time, as no one is willing to tolerate any level of risk in connection with covid. A Canadian friend said that their entertainment industry has been told to plan for the closures to last until 2023 - a random fact but it has stuck with me and it’s what I am mentally preparing myself for, as an overall endpoint of sorts

All depends how fast they can roll the vaccines out.

4. Mental health seems to be a joker in this country devalving it to the point that those who really have actual medical mental health issues are brushed aside and/or struggle to find real help.

@TheSunIsStillShining What the hell does that weirdly cryptic comment mean? Who's joking about mental health?

I think those of you moaning that you can't cope really need to put things into perspective. Out of a lifetime this will be a short period of time. Yes, it's shit. I wonder how many of you are healthy, because more than going to restaurants or the cinema, or going to a pub or on holiday, I would give anything just to have my health. I don't give a monkeys about any of those things. I developed 2 new chronic conditions this year, I'm in pain 24/7. There is no cure, I will die with these. These new ones are on top of the other 9 I have. I read on here daily about people whinging that they can't do this and that, do any of you think about people who are worse of.

@TheSunIsStillShining 3% would be about 2 million dead. Not accurate