Page 7 | List of primary school closure areas

VashtaNerada · 30/12/2020 23:14

Hackney has the tenth highest levels in London but remains open. This is just ridiculous. Regardless of whether you want your school open or closed the issue here is the lack of transparency. Surely the sensible thing would be to say “all areas with rates over x to be closed” so at least we all knew where we stood.

Elephant4 · 30/12/2020 23:42

DfE have posted this through MNHQ

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/4120869-MNHQ-here-Details-on-school-closures-from-the-Department-of-Education

Cheerios444 · 30/12/2020 23:59

DC is desperate to go back but I was terrified so Im so glad Im not going to have to email the school to try to negotiate DC being off. Really do feel for all those who didnt get a choice

dreamingbohemian · 31/12/2020 00:01

[quote Elephant4]DfE have posted this through MNHQ

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/4120869-MNHQ-here-Details-on-school-closures-from-the-Department-of-Education[/quote]
What fucking good is that, DfE?

We know all that. What we want is an explanation for not closing boroughs that also have high rates and overflowing hospitals.

ReesMoggsGlasses · 31/12/2020 00:08

I suspect Greenwich and Islington are being punished for trying to pull the kids out early before Christmas

This shower of shite do those kind of underhand shitty trucks, mark my words

TheClitterati · 31/12/2020 00:27

We are in Kent and I've had an email from the headteacher tonight saying school is open as usual as we are not in a hotspot. So do check with your school

yellowsunburst · 31/12/2020 00:39

I'm in Islington and I'm relieved that schools will stay open. I wasn't looking forward to juggle wfh and homeschooling again, and my DDs miss their friends. Fortunately none of us are vulnerable at home. I do know families with vulnerable family members who have chosen to deregister. I'm fairly convinced that all the schools will have to close eventually, but even short period of being in school will help me and the dc.

pusscatsinblankets · 31/12/2020 00:49

@ReesMoggsGlasses

I suspect Greenwich and Islington are being punished for trying to pull the kids out early before Christmas

This shower of shite do those kind of underhand shitty trucks, mark my words

Nope Waltham Forest also tried to close early, and are now closed next week.

Strawberrypancakes · 31/12/2020 00:51

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PandemicPavolova · 31/12/2020 00:53

At any unexpected moment, any of us could become vulnerable.

One missed stair, one choke, slip of a knife, fall on ice...

Car accident.. Burn... I guess we call no 10 and get ourselves to Boris because hospital won't be there?

PandemicPavolova · 31/12/2020 00:54

Parents voted with thier feet in march I guess it's time to do it again.

AndcalloffChristmas · 31/12/2020 01:01

I agree it seems to be political and that they are punishing boroughs that tried to close before Xmas. Which is disgraceful.

I wouldn’t call them child murderers though. For one thing, primary aged children very rarely die of covid. So let’s not go ott.

However I’m very happy we we in a closed borough. Ds might not get very ill himself (he didn’t when he had it) but he could infect vulnerable dd, pregnant step mum etc.

manicinsomniac · 31/12/2020 01:24

Are any of the boroughs that are left open areas of particularly high deprivation? Maybe closed schools were deemed more of a risk in some areas than the virus itself? Or could it be that individual MPs fought for their schools to stay open and others fought for them to be closed? Did they have a say?

I've also heard it's to do with rates of infection in children not just overall (some areas with very high infection have a high proportion of elderly people affected and fewer children) and also to do with hospital capacity. It wasn't as simple as drawing under a line under the top, say, 50.

Meredusoleil · 31/12/2020 06:35

Why is Kingston upon Thames not on the list? Surely that's not political?

bookworm14 · 31/12/2020 07:23

Why the hell is Westminster on the list when it’s at the very bottom of the table for covid infections in London? If they’re going to fuck around with peoples lives they at least need to be transparent about why.

BertNErnie · 31/12/2020 07:31

@maxbabi

I will be working in a Haringey school travelling from southwark. Absolute madness. Oh BTW Haringey has one of the highest deprivation rates its a very poor area (certainly not full of yummy mummies)

Crouch end, Muswell Hill and Harringay all comes under Haringey - all of which do have a lot of yummy mummies and houses in excess of millions in some cases.

But yes, those areas towards the bottom of Harringay are most definitely more deprived.

CarlottaValdez · 31/12/2020 07:44

We’re in one of the open boroughs - assuming it’ll become closed very soon tbh.

pusscatsinblankets · 31/12/2020 08:10

@BertNErnie Haringey is hugely polarised. Yes the west side has lots of wealth, but the east is a completely different story and contains some of the most deprived areas in the country.

ILookAtTheFloor · 31/12/2020 08:18

I see Redbridge was left off of the original list and has since been added. Poor forgotten Redbridge, the least well-known of all the London Boroughs.

pommedeterre · 31/12/2020 08:28

Child murderers? I think that poster right urgently need some help with their anxiety.

I think closing schools should be absolutely the last resort. I wouldn't do it if I were the government. I would be vaccinating teachers with NHS staff though (before elderly if Im really honest).

Oilyvoir · 31/12/2020 09:16

Could it be that they want to do a comparison of infection rates with schools open and closed? The boroughs that are still open seem to be a cross section of London boroughs in terms of geography. In our household of 3 - 2 teachers and a Y1 child - we cover 3 different closed west London boroughs, 2 of which border Harrow. Northwick Park hospital which is the local one for Harrow was overrun with covid last time. Not sure how they are doing now. It will be interesting to see how Harrow does in comparison to our boroughs over the next couple of weeks. Interesting but a dangerous game on the governments part.

Solidaritea · 31/12/2020 10:26

@Oilyvoir

Could it be that they want to do a comparison of infection rates with schools open and closed? The boroughs that are still open seem to be a cross section of London boroughs in terms of geography. In our household of 3 - 2 teachers and a Y1 child - we cover 3 different closed west London boroughs, 2 of which border Harrow. Northwick Park hospital which is the local one for Harrow was overrun with covid last time. Not sure how they are doing now. It will be interesting to see how Harrow does in comparison to our boroughs over the next couple of weeks. Interesting but a dangerous game on the governments part.

If so, it's an incredibly flawed experiment. As you say, you're in 3 different boroughs. At our school, we have many families who have children in schools in 2 boroughs, and some in 3 boroughs. Most staff do not live in our borough, and about 1/3 of our pupils don't either. So case rates per borough will continue to be borderline meaningless.

I know you're not advocating for this, merely speculating. I think it's appalling that we've not been told and therefore only have speculation to go on.

dreamingbohemian · 31/12/2020 10:40

@manicinsomniac

Are any of the boroughs that are left open areas of particularly high deprivation? Maybe closed schools were deemed more of a risk in some areas than the virus itself? Or could it be that individual MPs fought for their schools to stay open and others fought for them to be closed? Did they have a say?

I've also heard it's to do with rates of infection in children not just overall (some areas with very high infection have a high proportion of elderly people affected and fewer children) and also to do with hospital capacity. It wasn't as simple as drawing under a line under the top, say, 50.

MPs were not consulted, nor was the Mayor.

The reason Greenwich wanted to close before Xmas was because rates among children were so high.

A Greenwich hospital made national news this week for almost running out of oxygen.

We were told earlier this year it wasn't possible to put London boroughs in different tiers because people move between them, suddenly it's fine to treat schools differently though.

itsgettingweird · 31/12/2020 10:54

Dreaming good points.

dreamingbohemian · 31/12/2020 11:13

Thanks @itsgettingweird
I'm not normally inclined toward political conspiracy theories but none of this makes any sense!
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