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Just lock us down before the vaccine!

266 replies

DinosaurDildo · 29/12/2020 21:12

Lock us down and be done with it until Feb/March or whenever the vaccine is established. All schools off too (health trumps education).

One last shit show, then we will never have to do it again.

The light IS at the end of the tunnel. (Vaccine, hurrah).

Let’s save lives whilst we can. We never know when we may need emergency NHS treatment.

For the record I’m not privileged, and I have three young kids who in the perfect covid free world I would much prefer to be AT school.

My friend thinks we should just get on with our lives “survival of the fittest”. Well bloody good luck with your survival rhetoric when you need a hospital bed for you or your child and there isn’t one......

Anyone else agree/disagree?

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Elephant4 · 30/12/2020 00:15

No. But the vaccine will have no effect. None. On our current predicament by May 2021.

So locking down until the vaccine is established/has effect will have to be for much longer. A whole year longer. At least.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 30/12/2020 00:16

Fuck this.

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:17

@Lairyfightzzzz

But it doesn't matter, we don't need everyone to get the vaccine. Just enough.
This the vaccine we all have to have potentially twice a year as no one has a clue how long lasting it is?

Are you kidding me, this shower of fuckwits won't be able to administer effectively, do stop fantasising

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:17

No. But the vaccine will have no effect. None. On our current predicament by May 2021

Don't think that's true but if it is my opinion hasn't changed because the alternative is the NHS is overwhelmed.

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:18

Are you kidding me, this shower of fuckwits won't be able to administer effectively, do stop fantasising

And if they don't, we will continue in the cycle of stop start lockdowns until they get their act together.

Simple as that really.

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:19

They won't have stopped vaccinating the first vulnerable lots before they have to start again Grin

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:19

@Lairyfightzzzz

Are you kidding me, this shower of fuckwits won't be able to administer effectively, do stop fantasising

And if they don't, we will continue in the cycle of stop start lockdowns until they get their act together.

Simple as that really.

No it's not, we drop the lockdown shite and learn to live with it
ScoobySnacker · 30/12/2020 00:20

@Lairyfightzzzz what is the definition of enough?

partyatthepalace · 30/12/2020 00:20

Far as I understand it it’s currently more like April to vaccinate the most vulnerable.

I think the key thing is - get a fucking move on with vaccinations.

I’d be v reluctant to close schools again, I really worry c the long term damage to less advantaged kids, and the economic damage to parents who can’t work. But yes, if the NHS is in danger of collapse then I’d agree re schools - but only then.

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:20

No it's not, we drop the lockdown shite and learn to live with it

That is literally going to be impossible to do as the NHS won't be able to cope.

I don't think people get this basic fact. We can't let the virus run amok even if we wanted to.

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:21

what is the definition of enough?

The most vulnerable. Basically just enough that the risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed is minimised.

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:22

@Lairyfightzzzz

No it's not, we drop the lockdown shite and learn to live with it

That is literally going to be impossible to do as the NHS won't be able to cope.

I don't think people get this basic fact. We can't let the virus run amok even if we wanted to.

The NHS hasn't been coping forever, perfectly suits our government for it to be its ass no matter what it says
Chloemol · 30/12/2020 00:23

Agree

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:24

@Lairyfightzzzz

what is the definition of enough?

The most vulnerable. Basically just enough that the risk of the NHS becoming overwhelmed is minimised.

You sound like an expert, not
Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:26

The NHS hasn't been coping forever

It hasn't, but not to the extent that it currently isn't coping. Not to the extent that it will shortly have to make decisions about which covid patient it can treat and which it can't.

I understand why people are defensive and would rather believe that the government were deliberately manipulating data and/or it isn't as bad as it seems. It's a defence mechanism.

The fact of the matter is, lockdown or no lockdown, life cannot go back to "normal" yet and that's just how it is. If we opened everything up again you'd quickly discover that.

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:27

You sound like an expert, not

I'm not, but the epidemiologists are.

ScoobySnacker · 30/12/2020 00:37

Here in my tier 3 area the numbers are going down how does that justify further measures?

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:37

@Lairyfightzzzz

You sound like an expert, not

I'm not, but the epidemiologists are.

Yes they're experts In their field, not experts in broken economies, mental health issues, poverty - all important things too, not just bloody Covid
Thewiseoneincognito · 30/12/2020 00:37

I can’t be the only one thinking the vaccine is going to be null and void against the mutations, specifically the South Africa one?

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:38

@Thewiseoneincognito

I can’t be the only one thinking the vaccine is going to be null and void against the mutations, specifically the South Africa one?
And future mutations
Thefeep · 30/12/2020 00:39

Strongly disagree. 🙄

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:40

Yes they're experts In their field, not experts in broken economies, mental health issues, poverty - all important things too, not just bloody Covid

Do you really think that those things would be fine and dandy if we let covid run rampant?

AlwaysLatte · 30/12/2020 00:40

Come on Boris. Do something right for once and shut everything except absolute essential work down and give the hospitals a fighting chance. Fine people who break the rules. It's temporary.
Unfortunately he likes to listen to the ones who shout loudest and sometimes, as some of the ignorant people on here have demonstrated in this thread alone, they're the least educated.

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 00:41

I can’t be the only one thinking the vaccine is going to be null and void against the mutations, specifically the South Africa one?

Well none of the evidence so far has suggested that and none of the scientists believe it either, so not really sure why you would think that unless you know something the rest of us don't.

More likely the vaccine will just need to be tweaked to adapt to future mutations, like we do every year with the flu jab.

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 00:41

@Lairyfightzzzz

Yes they're experts In their field, not experts in broken economies, mental health issues, poverty - all important things too, not just bloody Covid

Do you really think that those things would be fine and dandy if we let covid run rampant?

No one is asking it to run rampant, you are just something else - it's not that blank and white, lockdown or no lockdown, people will have to live with it for years to come, and so distancing measures, masks, sanitise - but we have to live for god sake