Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Covid

Mumsnet doesn't verify the qualifications of users. If you have medical concerns, please consult a healthcare professional.

Original poster

Just lock us down before the vaccine!

266 replies

DinosaurDildo · 29/12/2020 21:12

Lock us down and be done with it until Feb/March or whenever the vaccine is established. All schools off too (health trumps education).

One last shit show, then we will never have to do it again.

The light IS at the end of the tunnel. (Vaccine, hurrah).

Let’s save lives whilst we can. We never know when we may need emergency NHS treatment.

For the record I’m not privileged, and I have three young kids who in the perfect covid free world I would much prefer to be AT school.

My friend thinks we should just get on with our lives “survival of the fittest”. Well bloody good luck with your survival rhetoric when you need a hospital bed for you or your child and there isn’t one......

Anyone else agree/disagree?

OP posts:
Original poster
DinosaurDildo · 30/12/2020 09:44

@pennylane83

Oxford one is being distributed from the 4th Jan. Time for this government to be efficient for once. I know that’s an incredibly big ask for them but mass vaccination at speed should be the priority.

OP posts:
southeastdweller · 30/12/2020 09:47

[quote DinosaurDildo]@Toocold

Ooo I dunno this government seems to find plenty of money from that old money tree.

Either way the economy is decimated I’m afraid.[/quote]
Do you even know the definition of decimated? Of course the economy isn’t decimated but it will be if we have lockdown after lockdown after lockdown.

Original poster
DinosaurDildo · 30/12/2020 09:53

@southeastdweller

But there would be no need for lockdown after lockdown after lockdown once you have vaccinated the most vulnerable which is looking like May by the time they have all been done.

Locking down for January/part of Feb eases the pressure on the NHS..... it really would be the final lockdown.

Struggling to grasp that aren’t you?

OP posts:
nicky7654 · 30/12/2020 10:02

No we will have no businesses left and our economy will be on the floor !

southeastdweller · 30/12/2020 10:07

@dinosaurdildo I’m struggling to grasp that you have enough faith in this shite government to believe that there’ll be one final lockdown.

ZeroSumTrap · 30/12/2020 10:09

Currently there is only the pfzier vaccine being administered and only so much can be manufactured at any one time.

Actually, the vaccines Uk ordered were manufactured 'at risk'; that means UK paid in advance & manufacturing proceeded before anyone knew if they worked. Therefore, all the vaccine vials ordered exist already, even on the day approved. The bottleneck is logistics in delivery.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 30/12/2020 10:12

@LizzieSiddal

Hain everything I’ve seen says all over 50s will be vaccinated by Easter.
I'm over 50 and have been told that the earliest I can expect to receive the vaccine is May/June.
ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 10:20

[quote southeastdweller]@dinosaurdildo I’m struggling to grasp that you have enough faith in this shite government to believe that there’ll be one final lockdown.[/quote]
All I can here is "it's the final lockdown duh duh duh duh..."

I'm sorry but any of you who believe that, your certifiable. Final lockdown until the next wave of vaccines required, final lockdown until the next mutation, absolute fantasists!!

DownstairsMixUp · 30/12/2020 10:20

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

ReesMoggsGlasses · 30/12/2020 10:23

@DownstairsMixUp

Health is not just physical health. It's. a complete state of mental, physical and social well being. This is a very well known definition of health that has been known since 1948 from WHO. This mad obsession with only physical health being important is what is leading to a huge surge in people going to their gps for anti depressants and young people milling themselves is at the highest rate it's been at for a long time.

The vaccine won't be the end of it since it doesn't have a 100% effectiveness rate. People will die of covid forever now. It will never be gone. People seem to think once everyone's vaccinated it'll disappear, despite knowing it doesn't have a full protection rate.

This, my firm have had us wfh since March, all our staff are struggling with their mental health. As it's so busy, everyone's physical health is also suffering, as we simply sit at desks at home all day and never have time to exercise/move. It'll the inactivity and side effects of that will kill us before Covid does - and ironically, looking down will push a hell of a lot more people into the vulnerable category
Allispretty · 30/12/2020 10:26

[quote DinosaurDildo]@southeastdweller

But there would be no need for lockdown after lockdown after lockdown once you have vaccinated the most vulnerable which is looking like May by the time they have all been done.

Locking down for January/part of Feb eases the pressure on the NHS..... it really would be the final lockdown.

Struggling to grasp that aren’t you?[/quote]
How on earth are you so sure have you been sat in the cobra meetings 🤣 seriously anyone who has this much faith in the government is deluded! It's going to take months to roll out the vaccinations, the nhs/gps are already not coping who do you think is carrying out these vaccinations?

DownstairsMixUp · 30/12/2020 10:28

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at the poster's request.

userxx · 30/12/2020 10:30

@DownstairsMixUp Far too logical and not nearly enough blaming going on in your post.

MarshaBradyo · 30/12/2020 10:31

@Lairyfightzzzz

The NHS hasn't been coping forever

It hasn't, but not to the extent that it currently isn't coping. Not to the extent that it will shortly have to make decisions about which covid patient it can treat and which it can't.

I understand why people are defensive and would rather believe that the government were deliberately manipulating data and/or it isn't as bad as it seems. It's a defence mechanism.

The fact of the matter is, lockdown or no lockdown, life cannot go back to "normal" yet and that's just how it is. If we opened everything up again you'd quickly discover that.

Not normal no, not yet, but not necessarily full lockdown as op suggests
Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 10:32

Not normal no, not yet, but not necessarily full lockdown as op suggests

I don't agree that people should stay indoors at all times, no, but I do think at this point that schools need to be closed.

ScoobySnacker · 30/12/2020 10:37

Totally agree @DownstairsMixUp Covid is not the only health risk we face. We had a mental health crisis prior to Covid and yet still people push for more lockdown and all the associated harm that brings. It's shortsighted and severely lacking in empathy.

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 10:39

We had a mental health crisis prior to Covid and yet still people push for more lockdown and all the associated harm that brings. It's shortsighted and severely lacking in empathy

I work in mental health. What do you think would happen if there were no restrictions and the virus was allowed to just do its thing? Do you think mental health would flourish?

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 10:41

It isn't a case of mental health/the economy vs lives lost to covid. Thinking it is is incredibly short sighted. The fact of the matter is that without measures to control covid both mental health and the economy would be completely fucked anyway.

Of course, it didn't need to be that way but Europe didn't get its act together early enough.

NYNY211 · 30/12/2020 10:44

Your assuming the vaccine will 100% work. Imagine we locked down and then the vaccine isn’t as effective.

ScoobySnacker · 30/12/2020 10:51

@Lairyfightzzzz I can only speak from what I see in my own home. A 15 year old in March plodding away at home with little social contact and the things she loves taken away. A girl who stopped sleeping and reverted from the independent young adult she was becoming. An unseen mental health crisis in the making. I have watched her "come back" since school and sport reopened. You already wrote off her education last night do you now write off her mental wellbeing too.

Lady1576 · 30/12/2020 10:52

[quote DinosaurDildo]@EasterIssland

You are being pedantic, I care deeply about kids MH, including my own.

There is no room for blurred boundaries here though. There is no time.

So yes at the minute, this trumps it all. In MY ideal world, we would lock down now, kids out of school and MASS vaccination of the vulnerable groups.

Only then can children have a sustainable education because what they currently have with this stop/start fiasco, is utter bullshit.

Dragging this out isn’t good for anyone’s mental health, kids included. The nation needs stability.[/quote]
Yes. Spot on. How can not knowing what’s happening with schools next week and then perhaps going in again until it gets worse and maybe having exams but maybe not be better for mental health? Cancel exams and clearly outline a plan IN ADVANCE. We’re all facing a tough time. It’s not easy for children or young people - it’s not easy for anyone. It’s probably not easy for shielding people who have been told to stay actually inside their house for the last 9 months or risk death. That’s probably harder for them than the teenagers who have been seeing their friends in school whilst the numbers keep going up. People saying their kids need to go back to school are saying it’s ok for some people to be locked up indefinitely or die. There are certainly people who are at risk of serious mental health consequences; lonely elderly people, people whose businesses have gone bust; vulnerable children and adults in abusive homes. But people who just don’t like having their children at home all day because it’s hard & boring can f**k off. I agree bubbles should be available to all people WFH with primary age children. This way 2 households could provide childcare for each other.

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 10:53

ScoobySnacker

I'm really not disagreeing with you nor writing off the mental health impact (like I say I work in mental health), but genuinely- what is your alternative? With numbers as they are, what do you think should happen?

Lairyfightzzzz · 30/12/2020 10:53

Lady1576

Agree with every word of your post.

ScoobySnacker · 30/12/2020 10:59

The thing is @Lairyfightzzzz where we are in tier 3 and with mass testing the numbers are dropping so it is very hard to align my thinking to yours on a lockdown. There's no one size fits all answer unfortunately.

kingat · 30/12/2020 11:00

OP How does spring bring natural reduction in cases? It all kicked off in Spring, what are you basing this idea on?

Yes, the playgrounds and shops are full because not everyone is terrified and panicking anymore like last year. Those people will not follow the rules and with schools and playgrounds closed they will be looking for things to do with kids and still meet up and in cold weather that will be indoors.
You may not like this, but its true and you cant do anything about it, the same as with Chistmas, most people in tier 4 still had meet ups. Most of my street did.