Just lock us down before the vaccine!

[DinosaurDildo]

Lock us down and be done with it until Feb/March or whenever the vaccine is established. All schools off too (health trumps education).

One last shit show, then we will never have to do it again.

The light IS at the end of the tunnel. (Vaccine, hurrah).

Let’s save lives whilst we can. We never know when we may need emergency NHS treatment.

For the record I’m not privileged, and I have three young kids who in the perfect covid free world I would much prefer to be AT school.

My friend thinks we should just get on with our lives “survival of the fittest”. Well bloody good luck with your survival rhetoric when you need a hospital bed for you or your child and there isn’t one......

Anyone else agree/disagree?

I genuinely believe that people subconsciously see it as safer when schools are open and take risks in other areas that they wouldn't do if schools were closed.

I agree there is no one size fits all and actually I don't advocate a lockdown to the extent that some on here do, but I don't see how it is possible to keep the numbers down and have schools remain open, testing or no testing.

I also need the symptoms required to isolate should be massively extended and employers who don't support their employees to do so should be clamped down on. Costa for one!

I agree bubbles should be available to all people WFH with primary age children. This way 2 households could provide childcare for each other.
No thank you. It’s still hard enough wfh whilst taking care of my own child let alone taking care of someone else’s at the same time. During the November lockdown I was doing 10-12h a day wfh and another 8 during the weekends. I was able to do this cuz schools were opened. Hadn’t they been no chance I’d have wfh, take care of my son .... and now also someone else’s ?

Anyway This thread is about lockdowns until vaccine has its effect on vulnerable. Hancock says til middle April that won’t happen ... I ask again how many from this thread would support full lockdown until may?

Now the vaccine is here I think we need to do this too. Why let more people catch it and die when there’s a vaccine

I ask again how many from this thread would support full lockdown until may

I can't answer that because I don't know your definition of a "full lockdown". If it is no one leaving the house then no, I wouldn't support that.

The problem I think there is, is people aren’t locking down. So if lots aren’t complying, lots more won’t either. If only a proportion of the population are following lockdown, it rather defeats the object.

We went to the park yesterday in tier 4, it was packed and lots of people were mixing (saw a big group of people aged 70+ all standing around chatting in close contact - no way 2 meters apart). You look at high levels of non-compliance and think “if they aren’t sticking to the rules to save themselves, why should I bother to destroy my child’s education/future, business, economy, mental health etc., to save them.

So lockdown is all well and good, but short of major manpower to enforce (Police / military etc.,) or a shift in compliance, it isn’t going to work? I doubt you would be able to enforce a lockdown even with major manpower resources

The government have been so wishy washy with their messages (lockdown for 3 weeks to assess situation, then another 3 weeks, then it’s safe to open everything up slowly, now everyone go out and eat like crazy to save the economy, go back to the office, actually go home, lockdown again cos we still need to save the NHS, have a happy Christmas, but only half of you cos for the other half, unpack your bags cos Christmas is cancelled.... etc etc etc. Now it’s “lockdown until Easter”. I’m not sure people believe them and if you don’t have compliance, lockdown won’t work anyway.

@Lairyfightzzzz

I ask again how many from this thread would support full lockdown until may

I can't answer that because I don't know your definition of a "full lockdown". If it is no one leaving the house then no, I wouldn't support that.

March style lockdown. Non essential shops opened. Schools closed. Not seeing anyone outside of your house. With the impact on mental health / cancer patients / economy / education we know it has.

My version of a lockdown would have everything as it is in T4 now with the addition of schools closed (except for vulnerable and KW children). And I would sadly probably close playgrounds too as people seem incapable of sticking to the guidelines in them.

I would allow a support bubble for every household who wanted one with one other household. I wouldn't limit daily exercise etc.

I would close schools initially for a month then gradually reopen based on what the numbers were doing, with priority for exam years.

And fines for those that break the rules. But proper fines.

March style lockdown. Non essential shops opened. Schools closed. Not seeing anyone outside of your house. With the impact on mental health / cancer patients / economy / education we know it has.

Then no, not quite. See above.

@Lairyfightzzzz

My version of a lockdown would have everything as it is in T4 now with the addition of schools closed (except for vulnerable and KW children). And I would sadly probably close playgrounds too as people seem incapable of sticking to the guidelines in them.

I would allow a support bubble for every household who wanted one with one other household. I wouldn't limit daily exercise etc.

I would close schools initially for a month then gradually reopen based on what the numbers were doing, with priority for exam years.

The problem is that once you allow people having a bubble ... they don’t comply. So only those vulnerable or single allowed to have q bubble like in March (hen it wasn’t even allowed)

The problem is that once you allow people having a bubble ... they don’t comply.

There is always going to be a degree of non compliance. I think schools is the more pressing issue.

@EasterIssland

And fines for those that break the rules. But proper fines.

But who would give out these fines? Honestly, if we are facing mass disobedience of the rules (which is clearly happening in my tier 4 area) Who would enforce it? The Police don’t have capacity to deal with crimes and people want the military to help with vaccinations

I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a lockdown. I have absolutely no idea what the answer now is because we had a period in the summer to get organised and we have fucked it right up.

@Allispretty

Yeah have you not heard DinosaurDildo is running for PM in the next term?

Fuck me I may as well, they’re that incompetent.

@Crazycatlady83 I’m against lockdown and schools closures. However , if we are going to do a proper lockdown then let’s do it properly and making sure people follow the rules. Otherwise , I’m not happy about sacrificing my sons well-being if we’re going to carry on like til now by people doing what they want. If there is a lockdown til the vaccine has its effect o. Vulnerable then it needs to be done properly

@EasterIssland
I don’t disagree in the slightest - our children have been left hung out to dry with this “blended learning” “home learning” crap.

What’s frustrating though is some are abiding by the rules and some are doing what they like. If the government are going to impose lockdown / school closures etc., they also need to have a realistic prospect of enforcing those rules. How are they going to stop teenagers meeting in parks (which is what happened in my local area in lockdown 1).

Without enforceable on a grand scale the sacrifice the many are making it’s completely and utterly pointless. Surely everyone asking for lockdown cannot believe “get lockdown, everyone complies, cases go down, deaths decrease” and “one or two people who don’t comply so will be fined” cos there isn’t just one or two people, there are hundreds / thousands!

For weeks (Tier 2) there was a long queue out the door at local post office.

Today I sailed in straight to the PO counter. Very quiet.

Ditto experience in local variety store (looking for a CO alarm), Lidl (crisis nearly ran out of chips).

The local roads are also noticeably quieter than usual (cycled somewhere on my voluntary KW job).

So observed conditions to be very quiet in my Tier 4 area. Very cold temps probably help!